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Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm proposing that the article be renamed as above, because this title would more accurately reflect the subject matter of the article than just "Cape May", which is ambiguous, as can be seen at the disambiguation page. SP-KP (talk) 19:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is Cape May, the primary meaning of that term; Cape May, New Jersey, Cape May County, New Jersey, and Cape May Court House, New Jersey, are all disambiguated from it. This is not usage, because Cape May peninsula is redundant. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Question Septentrionalis - this article is clearly about much more then Cape May i.e. the Cape itself - it's about the whole peninsula, from the Ocean City - Dennis Creek line southwards. Personally, I feel it would be better if the cape had an article to itself, separate from the article about the peninsula, but the two subjects are merged here. We could split them, if that would help? SP-KP (talk) 15:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- My local usage is to treat Cape May, like Cape Cod, as one large piece of geography, from Atlantic County to the tip. Do we really need an article on the peninsula and another on the geometric point where Delaware Bay meets the ocean? What would they say? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- For a similar article-pair, see Isle of Portland and Portland Bill; the latter is small, but definitely expandable. However, I'm not arguing we should have two articles, at least not at this stage ... merely that if we have one article whose primary scope is the peninsula rather than the cape, it should be named after the peninsula, not the cape. SP-KP (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- The peninsula is the cape, and conversely; you are making a non-distinction. If you intend to dispute the first words of the article: Cape May is a peninsula, please provide sources; I believe this to be OR. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, but the article starts with those words because I edited it into that state a couple of days ago as an interim measure as part of trying to clear up the confused state of the Cape May articles; before, it said "Cape May is a cape and peninsula". It's not quite correct that the cape of Cape May and the Cape May peninsula are the same, at least not in definitional terms - some peninsulas are capes, some, like this one, aren't. I'll defer to your better local knowledge that the name Cape May has come to mean the whole peninsula (although that's not what I found when I visited). If you're not happy with my original solution, we could instead say (we'd need sources) that "Cape May is the name given to a peninsula ....." and then follow that with something like "It is not a typical cape in that..." and then explain why it isn't really a cape even though it's called one. SP-KP (talk) 22:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Why is it not a typical cape? Cape Cod (our article says) is the entire south and east of Massachusetts Bay, beginning at the Cape Cod Canal; Sandy Hook, New Jersey is everything north of Sea Bright, New Jersey, and so on. Cape Henlopen is as long as its peninsula.... Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, but the article starts with those words because I edited it into that state a couple of days ago as an interim measure as part of trying to clear up the confused state of the Cape May articles; before, it said "Cape May is a cape and peninsula". It's not quite correct that the cape of Cape May and the Cape May peninsula are the same, at least not in definitional terms - some peninsulas are capes, some, like this one, aren't. I'll defer to your better local knowledge that the name Cape May has come to mean the whole peninsula (although that's not what I found when I visited). If you're not happy with my original solution, we could instead say (we'd need sources) that "Cape May is the name given to a peninsula ....." and then follow that with something like "It is not a typical cape in that..." and then explain why it isn't really a cape even though it's called one. SP-KP (talk) 22:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- The peninsula is the cape, and conversely; you are making a non-distinction. If you intend to dispute the first words of the article: Cape May is a peninsula, please provide sources; I believe this to be OR. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- For a similar article-pair, see Isle of Portland and Portland Bill; the latter is small, but definitely expandable. However, I'm not arguing we should have two articles, at least not at this stage ... merely that if we have one article whose primary scope is the peninsula rather than the cape, it should be named after the peninsula, not the cape. SP-KP (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- My local usage is to treat Cape May, like Cape Cod, as one large piece of geography, from Atlantic County to the tip. Do we really need an article on the peninsula and another on the geometric point where Delaware Bay meets the ocean? What would they say? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Question Septentrionalis - this article is clearly about much more then Cape May i.e. the Cape itself - it's about the whole peninsula, from the Ocean City - Dennis Creek line southwards. Personally, I feel it would be better if the cape had an article to itself, separate from the article about the peninsula, but the two subjects are merged here. We could split them, if that would help? SP-KP (talk) 15:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's a small article, already accompanied by several other local articles. If they inadequately address some relevant matter, then add that matter and revisit the question when we've got a few well written fat sections on such matters. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- I don't understand what that has to do with the choice of name for this article - can you explain? SP-KP (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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