Talk:CZ 75

CZ75 Family and Clones

The cz75 has evolved into a family of pistols, including compact and competition models. The CZ series is still made by the origonal CZ company plus Tanfoglio in Italy ( called witness ), but perhaps the most evolved model is the baby eagle of Magnum Research in Israel. Russian special forces are said to carry this pistol, and in the US, a famous proponent of the M1911 .45 Auto Col. Cooper advocated a version in 10mm which was called the bren ten. This is known as a 9mm luger / parabellum cartridge, but .40 S&W caliber and .45 ACP versions have been developed for the American market. Typically it is a steel frame pistol, double action origonally with a cocked and locked safety system ( Col. Cooper's attraction ) but now also has frame mounted decocker or a slide mounted decocker ( baby eagle ). CZ75 is creditet with the design of the first firing pin safety device.
Note: Col. Cooper's pet project, the Bren Ten was a cost-production failure, shortly after it's hollywood splash by being selected as the side arm of the lead actor in Miami Vice TV show. COl. Cooper now laments his involvement in the 10mm version, saying that he was just trying to obtain a flatter trajectory than the .45 ACP. ( The powerfull 10mm cartridges really hammered the pistols ) Cooper has retreated into his traditional insistance that a M1911 is his ideal combat pistol.
-- unsigned by 66.82.9.83 (talk) at 07:06, 30 June 2004.

The CZ 75 didn't have a firing pin safety but the later CZ 75B models do. But There are ealier pistols that have that feature. For example, The CZ-52 and Walther P-38/P-1 have a firing pin safety of a similar nature of the CZ 75B, and were made long before the CZ 75.

--Konigstigerii 05:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

"evolved into a family of pistols" should be defined more precisely. I think we should differentiate between the real "family", made by CZ, and by the many clones ore license builds from other companies.

Re. "perhaps the most evolved model is the baby eagle": Well again that depends on your definition of "most evolved". One of the finest CZ75-clones made is probably the Swiss Sphinx 2000

Re. Bren Ten: This has its own article. While influenced by CZ75 clearly not belonging in this article

--BjKa (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

CZ-75 Automatic

There is missing a note or description of an uncommon CZ-75 version, CZ-75 Automatic -- unsigned 21:48, 9 November 2005 by 80.188.34.43

Baby Eagle / Jericho 941

Correct me if im wrong about this, but isn't the Baby Eagle just the American Name of the Jeherico (frogive the mispelling, im on my way out the door, if i get a chance ill correct it later -- unsigned by user:Iorek Brynson, 19:28, 23 August 2005

Yes, Baby Eagle is the name Magnum Research used to, from what I understand, To play off their famous Deseret Eagle. --Konigstigerii 05:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

While in part this may really be some kind of marketing ploy, it must be mentioned, that the Jericho 941 was(/is) made by IMI(/IWI) which also designed the Desert Eagle. --BjKa (talk) 11:09, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Per recent additions to the users list — the Jericho 941 may be a pistol based on the CZ 75, but it is not the CZ 75. The two pistols have separate articles for a reason, and users of the Jericho pistol are already listed in the Jericho 941 article. ROG5728 (talk) 01:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Tanfoglio / EAA Witness

The Tanfoglio is more or less a direct clone of the CZ75. Most notable differences are in the frame, as the handgrip geometry and the mainspring housing. This makes it possible to use the same frame for a number of cartridges from as fat as the .45 ACP to as long as the .38 Super Auto and 10mm Auto. I don't know about the licensing agreements between CZ and Tanfoglio.
The "Witness", as far as I know is made at Tanfoglio and imported to the USA by EAA, Florida.
--BjKa (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Name

Although the pistol is often referred to as "CZ-75", CZUB itself calls it the "CZ 75" without the hyphen. I can't see a reason why we shouldn't be using the correct designation in the articles. Comments? BroadArrow 22:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Changed all instances of "CZ-75" to "CZ 75". As far as I'm concerned, what's engraved on the gun is the right name, and it isn't "CZ-75". 19.05.06 -- unsigned 05:08, 20 May 2006 by 212.84.106.40

Actually: As can be seen in the first picture, what's engraved on the gun obviously was "(ČZ-Logo) Model 75" originally. So while they may call it "CZ 75" nowadays, the original name of the model probably was "vz. 75" or "M 75", with "ČZ" just being the Company. I won't go so far as to call for a renaming of the article, if it reflects the current official naming of the gun, but the original name should be mentioned in the introduction. --BjKa (talk) 09:09, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Decocker

I suggest the following bold text be simply removed on the bullet point about the CZ 75BD:

CZ 75BD: A variant of the now-common CZ 75B (B standing for firing pin Block) with a decocker replacing the traditional manual safety. (D stands for Decocker). This variant is quickly becoming the most common of the CZ 75B models, due to the additional safety the Decocker safety provides.

For one, I've never seen any decockers other than the P-01 on the shelf anywhere, and absent CZ-USA official sales figures, it doesn't make sense to put this in. Second, whether a decocker makes a pistol safer than condition 1 "cocked and locked" is a subject of debate and a matter of method of usage of a pistol. I realize this is a minor editing point, but I don't want to step on any toes.  :)
--Mons-meg 16:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikilinks

The links for T-90 and T-95 in the clones section go to the pages for the Russian main battle tanks, so I de-linked them to avoid confusion.
--Mons-meg 17:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

In popular culture

I read somewhere that Gendo Ikari's gun (from the End of Evangelion)is a CZ 75 or 85. Here's the link (it's in Russian) http://anime.mipt.ru/fan-art/nge-weapons/weapons.html --TestingTesting 16:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You'll also see the CZ 75 (original, not B version) in Gunsmith Cats; I believe Rally uses one. --Mons-meg 12:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Rally does use a CZ 75, starting from the last story in Bonnie & Clyde (which goes into a discussion of the weapon). Any trivia area where this would fit? --24.107.109.40 22:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Style

This line really bothers me as jargon and not very encyclopedic:

This was also one of the first hi-cap nines to allow cocked-and-locked (or Condition One) carry, the preferred method of most serious pistoleros. In this department, it is still in a distinct minority. It is extremely rugged and an instinctive "point-shooter".

hi-cap should be noted as high capacity and pistoleros is again very jargon instead of being explanitory. Don't assume your reader is going to be a serious pistol shooter and this isn't to wikipedia style.
--Tirronan 20:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I've changed to copyedit from unencyclopedic as I think that is more inline with the problem. Write to your readers to inform not as serious pistol shooters in the community. --Tirronan 22:33, 18 May 2007

I've removed the {{copyedit}} as the requested changes have been completed. Thank you. Tirronan 22:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

So this obviously can be marked as  Done --BjKa (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

P-01 and SP-01

Should these pistols have their own section? A lot of extra design work went into these pistols and thus they are quite different to the original CZ 75. Hayden120 (talk) 11:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I feel any additional structuring would improve the article. However if these pistols are really a new development, they should be moved to their own article. --BjKa (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Added the CZ 75 P-07 DUTY

This is my first addition to a Wikipedia article, so I apologize up front if the addition has any errors. I did use the sandbox to check things out. Hopefully, if the addition was made in error, someone can fix it or improve it in order to keep this new interesting pistol in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.156.92 (talk) 07:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that the P-07 is not based on the cz-75 and is an entirely. new design. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.28.68 (talk) 05:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Source?Cimmerian praetor (talk) 07:35, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Early vs. Late model CZ 75

There is an ongoing edit war about whether the intro picture is of an early or late model CZ 75. It is obviously an early pre B model, with a rounded trigger guard, spurred hammer, and distinct lack of "B" on the slide. Please see [1] and [2] for images comparing the two. — DP5 04:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It is also CLEARLY NOT an original edition, as it has the longer slide rails, and overall different slide configuration. Here is a link to the ORIGINAL design: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/ksc_cz75/cz_photos/cz75_blue.jpg

The one referenced in your link, is a later production model of the CZ-75. Not an early one. World.Guns.RU is notorious for incorrect information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.251.10.130 (talk) 13:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Your link doesn't work, but I see what you are talking about now. It's a late model original CZ 75, I thought you meant it was an overall late model CZ 75, which would be the CZ 75B. Sorry about that. I will change the caption to prevent any further confusion. — DanMP5 18:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I own a 1977 original "short-rail" CZ-75. I have taken a photo of it and uploaded it today as a reference photo of the 1st generation CZ 75. I also changed the caption to reflect the new photo. I also added height and width measurements to the description. These measurements were taken directly from the CZ book "CZ 75 The Birth of a Legend". -Vidiot_savant 16:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC-05:00) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidiot savant (talk • contribs)

Seems, we can regard this as  Done --BjKa (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's bring it up to the wiki standards

I have added some information and a large number of citations. Still, many more citations need to be added, and sections added by me may need some cleaning in order to make them sound like native English. Please help me bring this article up to the wiki's standard. It is shame that some articles dedicated to copies and clones of CZ 75 are better than the original! Cimmerian praetor (talk) 11:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Used by Finnish customs?

I need clarification on this. Since 2012, the Finnish customs have used the Walther P99Q. Have Finnish customs used CZ-75 at some point? -- TrickShotFinn (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Add Chile to the users list

hi, the user Loafiewa wrongly erased Chile from the users of the CZ-75, I have evidence that guarantees that Chile produces and uses that pistol in its Armed Forces. I request the incorporation of Chile in the Users list and also demand a penalty to the mentioned user for vandalism.

https://www.ejercito.cl/document/download/cGlzdG9sYXNlbWlhdXRvbWF0aWNhZnBzMTU5NDIwMTUtNWYwNGU0ODhjMDY3Ny5wZGY=

https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/2949504/armada-chile-adquirira-equipo-tactico-operaciones-especiales

Darknessofhumanity (talk) 15:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)