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Transgender discussion

Came across this discussion and thought id share it. Im not familiar with the tale of Cu Chulainn but maybe it's worth looking at. Finnlongman's dissertation isnt published yet but should be soon and I think itll be worth looking at. As I said Im not familiar with this tale but I feel like the subject of queerness in historical settings and stories is extremely ignored (intentionally or not). Cisgender heterosexual men raised in societies that are not open about this subject have for the most part been the scholars and historians analysing these stories and its their interpretations we've read. So I think its important to listen to the younger more open minded generation. They have fresh perspectives and can see things which may have been missed before. 71.63.156.179 (talk) 21:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Just thought I'd provide an update (though I'm not the original user who brought this up) to state that said article by Finn Longman has been published now, as ‘“What manner of man is this Hound?”: Gender, Humanity and the Transgressive Figure of Cú Chulainn' in Proceedings of the Association of Celtic Students of Ireland and Britain VIII and IX (2023). It is also available on their website, at https://finnlongman.com/research/. AspieSamKing (talk) 23:18, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Possibly lovers with Ferdiad is an established and common theory, stop edit-warring

This is not a new or obscure theory. Though, obviously, some are not pleased with it. The theory is certainly common enough that it deserves to be included. Stop the edit-warring. I would advise additional sourcing be added, because plenty of scholars have certainly mentioned it. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Claim his name was Sétanta; wasn’t it Séadanta?

Sétanta doesn’t sound right. Wasn’t he Séadanta with or without a fada. Frenchmalawi (talk) 08:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Séadanta looks like an attempt to update Sétanta to modern Irish spelling. The stories were written on Old and Middle Irish, and translations and scholarship generally follow the Old/Middle Irish spellings. --Nicknack009 (talk) 09:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Nicknack009, why did you mention translations? Obviously I haven’t asked about translations. Sétanta isn’t a translation. There is no fada in English language. Are you saying that there is an old written document in Irish language where ‘Sétanta’ is used? Can you identify that document? Frenchmalawi (talk) 14:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes. That's the spelling used in Lebor na hUidre and the Book of Leinster, the oldest and most important relevant manuscripts. --Nicknack009 (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Esoteric Birth Story

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the birth section is just written really strangely? It's very clunky and hard to parse through, and a lot of details seem to have almost no meaning or correlation-- the two colts born to the mare are never explained as birth gifts to Sétanta, and it generally reads like a stream-of-consciousness rendition of his birth.

I wouldn't really know where to start editing it, or if other people deem it worthy of being edited. It may just be me too-- I'm willing to acknowledge I'm reading things pretty poorly, but this section just feels overly dense IMO.

The articles on Deichtine and Súaltam already have some better, albeit more brief versions of Cú Chulainn's birth story, that feel way less dense.

FenrirSkin (talk) 18:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)