Talk:Buta Kola

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Rename the Page

It is always and only spelt as "Bhuta Kola", there also is no other way of pronouncing it. whoevever made the title was trying to hide the fact that the word indeed is Bhuta = Ghost. Its a mockery of wikipedia as no where else online is it spelt as Buta kola, when searching on google the suggestions will always be Bhuta Kola

Oopsemoops, ChandlerMinh, Ethan6089, TuluveRai123, Het666, KylieTastic, Ted071203, VikramPrabhuUdupi, ChiK, Dl2000, Rasnaboy, Materialscientist has asked to get this article renamed to get the correct pronunciation - see this; so please do the needful. I don't know how.-2409:4071:D13:B7DA:6CC8:21D0:1555:CCAC (talk) 05:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Its easy to test claims such as "no where else online is it spelt as Buta kola" - I just google "Buta Kola" and I get ~17,600 results, I search "Bhuta Kola" I get ~8,140 results - If I search only news on google "Buta Kola" get ~2,860 results and "Bhuta Kola" 18 results. KylieTastic (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Well that is that then... :) — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 16:12, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The term būta is the native local pronunciation of the word. Just because it has a slightly different pronunciation than the original Sanskrit doesn’t mean it should be Sanskritised for the sake of a larger pan-India audience. ChandlerMinh (talk) 10:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

KylieTastic (talk) see this [1]Het666 (talk)

Het666 yes it a source that has one spelling - so? I do not have an opinion about what the correct page title should be, not my area. I was just pinged above (I assume because I made 1 edit to the article) and refuted the false claim "no where else online is it spelt as Buta kola". KylieTastic (talk) 11:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Het666: website of Karnataka tourism is not a scholarly source. Also that link says that ‘Bhoota’ means devil. Not WP:RS ChandlerMinh (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

ChandlerMinh, in the local languages, Tulu and Kannada, it is ಭೂತ ಕೋಲ which is spelt as, "Bhootha kola". Please restore that name in the lead (I observed that you have removed it).-116.73.139.174 (talk) 18:52, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I didn’t remove it. It is still there in explanatory notes. Too many words in the opening sentence is making it a mess. Also Tulu was written in its own script historically; widespread use of Kannada script happened only in last hundred year or. So how it is spelt in Kannada script has little relevance here. ChandlerMinh (talk) 07:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I have tried to change the name of the page to "Bhoota Kola" as per pronunciation norms and requests. Don't know whether I followed proper procedure for it or not. As I'm still an amateur editor and navigator at Wikipedia. Please do the needful if I have erred anywhere. Thank You. VikramPrabhuUdupi (talk) 05:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I am changing the lead as per the new title. ChandlerMinh (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Repeated reverts

TuluveRai123, Please do not remove what I added here. I know that those other terms are used.-2409:4071:4D94:1551:63F9:70F6:BEB2:3645 (talk) 03:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Materialscientist, the correct spelling is Bhoota Kola or Bhootha Kola, so please self revert this edit of yours.-2409:4071:D13:B7DA:215A:D509:B9C0:AFDD (talk) 04:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

If you search online, you will see hardly any results for Buta Kola but there are lots of results for Bhoota Kola & Bhootha Kola.-2409:4071:D13:B7DA:215A:D509:B9C0:AFDD (talk) 04:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Darshin and Paathri are not the same as buta kola TuluveRai123 (talk) 06:52, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Better source

While doing research on the rituals and cultural practices of Tulu region I stumbled upon this wonderful no-nonsense book published by Karnataka Tulu Sahitya Academy. Titled The Devil Worship of the Tuluvas: From the Paper of the Late A. C. Burnell, this well detailed book runs for over 400 pages. Someone with interest, ideally a native-speaker of Tulu, please use the book to improve this wiki article ChandlerMinh (talk) 16:55, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

That seems to be an attack piece.-116.73.139.174 (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@ChandlerMinh i feel its not a better source. As it is written by a Foreigner,he has written in his POV. So this may not be the better source but we can refer that and add some information to this article by cross chechking it TuluveRai123 (talk) 05:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The book is not entirely based on foreigner perspective. Both editors and publishers are Indian. Karnataka Tulu Sahitya Academy is a very authoritative publisher in this topic. They used papers by a britisher only as a reference. only foreigner dared to record subaltern cultures. Most of the knowledge about subaltern culture was recorded by the British. Those days, literate Indians were mostly from the caste that stayed far away from these cultures. ChandlerMinh (talk) 07:05, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I have read that book. It does not have perfect info about Bhuta Kola. TuluveRai123 (talk) 16:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Name

The spelling buta is consistent with the local pronunciation of the term. Same spelling is also attested in the most sought after Tulu dictionary (Tulu Lexicon: Volume 6, edited by Uliyar Padmanabha Upadhyaya published by Rashtrakavi Govind Pai Samshodhana Kendra, Udupi). Please don’t keep changing it. The explanatory note ^[a] in the lead do mentions the etymology and alternate pronunciation/spellings. ChandlerMinh (talk) 17:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Worship Types

Bhutas are worshipped in many types and it is also mentioned in the article. Some users are removing that. Please don't keep removing the proper information. TuluveRai123 (talk) 05:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Please specify the section where it is getting removed. ChandlerMinh (talk) 08:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Buta Kola#Bhūta worship types here TuluveRai123 (talk) 08:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)