Talk:British Rail Class 86

Edit links broken

Something strange is happening to the [edit]s viewed with Mozilla under Linux... The first eight or nine are all together at one section head. Rich Farmbrough 11:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How is it doing now? I see the same with Firefox so I've tried moving the images to different sections. There will still be some stacking effects at high resolutions (I see it at 1600x1200 browser window, may still be a problem above 1299 or so browser width). Jamesday 19:42, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hull Trains

It has apparently been mentioned in RAIL magazine (I haven't seen the article) that HT are going to use a Class 86, at least for a few months, between London and Doncaster. Then passengers will have to change (so much for a non-stop service) onto a Class 222 to take them to Hull. If all this is correct, then the line in the article saying that Anglia's withdrawal of 86s in 2005 "brought an end to 40 years of Class 86-hauled passenger trains" will have to be changed. 86.136.251.18 23:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

In fact I believe from reading uk.railway on Usenet that RAIL thought there'd be Class 47 haulage for the last leg, but that since the mag was printed things have changed. I have no WP-suitable source for this, though. 86.136.251.18 23:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Dates in service

I was just reading the table containing the status of each locomotive in the class, and am a bit confused by the "in service" column. The dates given suggest that the locomotives commenced service around 1978-1983, which given that they were all built in the 1960s, doesn't make sense. What do those dates refer to? (It's not as if the all spent the first 15 years of their lives in a siding, is it?) --RFBailey (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Does nobody know the answer to this? --RFBailey (talk) 22:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The table has now been removed as it is unreferenced. Personnally, I think the table shoul dbe moved to a new article "List of British Rail Class 86 locomotives". There are lots of tables like this in other articles, so I feel that the removal of it from this article is inconsistent. Perhaps we need a policy decision on whether or not to have tables like this one in articles. Olana North (talk) 10:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I can understand why it was removed--it could be argued that it was verging on indiscriminate information, especially as it was unsourced. A "List of..." article may be more appropriate, but imagine what a list of Class 37s would look like(!). And it would still have to address the concerns I raised above (all those months ago!). --RFBailey (talk) 14:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hungary

UK.railway shows a [1] linking to photos on wnxx.com, infering/showing some class 86's in Hungarian livery at Long Marston. how many are being exported/any details? Thanks in advance. 91.109.225.70 (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Class 86 electric locomotives began exports of Hungary, did not have additional information requests.

'Long Marston' bid to be exported to Hungary, the locomotive did not have contact information related to makin ... AndElectric Traction Ltd86205, 86260 electric locomotive No. 86701,86702 change has been altered after the station is scheduled to be released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.137.16.146 (talk) 07:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

The fourth Class 86 is in Hungary and it works in Floyd's fleet. The fifth one is expected to arrive in August, 2011. More information: monostory.miklos [at] floyd.hu --Monostory (talk) 03:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Paragraph which does not make sense ?

The following paragraph beginning:

"The 'Long Marston' Class 86 locomotive is stored in the 'EuroPhoenix' was purchased from....."

does not make any sense. Should these statements be removed from the article altogether ?

This appears twice - first of all under Section #2.5.1 Cross-Country, within the Virgin section.

Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scot66 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Section 3.4 ("Exports") : what does the contents of this section actually mean - does it make any sense at all ?

Reading through this section 3.4 has convinced me that the paragraph contents appear to be complete nonsense ?? I can only recommend that this section be removed as it stands.

Scot66 (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible change to the title of this article

This article is currently named in accordance the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways naming conventions for British rolling stock allocated a TOPS number. A proposal to change this convention and/or its scope is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Naming convention, where your comments would be welcome.

Class 86 runs on Southern

95.145.233.193 (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC) I saw on the southern trains they used to run Class 86 Locomotives between Brighton and London Victoria 95.145.233.193 (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Calss 86 locomotives could not have run on `Souther' lines as those lines are electrified at 750V DC 3rd rail, and a 25kV AC overhead current collection locomotive can nott run on the 3rd rail. No railays with both AC & DC electrification exist south of the River Thames. Barney Bruchstein (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Photographs

Here are 3 photos - I think the first two aren't great, we could do better. The third one is the better. How about removing (1) and (2) and adding (3)? I don't think we need 2 photos of the same locomotive in this article, and (3) is so much more illustrative. It won't be too much of a shame to see (1) and (2) depart. Tony May (talk) 12:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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  1 OK, but...
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  2 Departing off the page hopefully
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  This one is much better

Completely agree, I've been bold and done it! Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Livery

According to `Modern Railways' magazine, July, 1965, vol. 21, no. 202, pp.368-369, Brian Haresnape, in an article entitled `The New Image Emerges on the LMR` clearly states that class 86 locomotives (then classified `AL6') were painted Rail Blue, but with a cast aluminium post 1956 BR `totem' (lion holding wheel, not a double arrow, whether cast or painted, which might be expected with rail blue livery. It is also said that Class 86's did not at this have a yellow warning panel. P369 shows a monochrome photograph of the cab end of class 86 E3162 behind the cab end of cl.83 E3031, the 86 appearing darker than the 83 but this is not conclusive. But it can be cocluded that the 86's were not painted in electric blue. Barney Bruchstein (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Modern Traction Locomotive Directory by Colin J. Marsden, ISBN 9780955788789, Page 297; "When built the AL6 fleet was finished in Electric blue livery, which was for the first few examples, devoid of a yellow warning panel" TimMassey (talk) 21:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Haresnape in Haresnape, Brian (November 1983). British Rail Fleet Survey 6: Electric Locomotives. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 65. ISBN 0-7110-1332-2. GE/1183. gives a photo of E3164 when new (1965). There are cast aluminium lion-and-wheel emblems in the centres of the bodysides, but no yellow panel; he states that it is rail blue.

However, Strickland in Strickland, D.C. (March 1983). D+EG Locomotive Directory. Camberley: Diesel & Electric Group. p. 130. ISBN 0-906375-10-X. shows that they were Electric Blue when new, later repainted Rail Blue. There is no mention of yellow panels.

What I do know about yellow panels is that they were introduced somewhat earlier - about 1961/62 on some diesels - but were not necessarily applied at a full repaint. It's curious that locos were still being delivered new without the panels some 3-4 years after their introduction. Rail Blue is slightly "greener" than Electric Blue, but is very difficult to distinguish in monochrome photos, and even some colour photos (Ektachrome is better than Kodachrome in that respect). IIRC when repainted Rail Blue, the lion-and-wheel emblems were replaced by cast aluminium double arrows in the same position. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)