Talk:Boy Scouts of America national headquarters

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A few changes

Hey, @Evrik! Can I ask why you've blanket reverted all my changes from today? Unless I'm missing something, none of your edit summaries explained why and no messages were left anywhere.

Here's a summary of what I changed and why, for any clarification:

1. Changed the article title to sentence case, per MOS:AT ("National Headquarters" should not be a proper noun as far as I'm aware)
2. Cleaned up templates and parameters across all references (including two which I don't believe are very valid sources, but I left them for now)
3. Did basic copy editing, removed a glaring typo, and updated article links
4. Moved the photos to a gallery, because the former location with all four images in the infobox was messy (The way you have them now is great though, so I'm all good on this one)

I don't want to start any edit warring here, so I'm bringing this up for some discussion. Can you elaborate on why you seem to disagree with these changes? Bsoyka (talk) 01:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I think that the title is a proper noun. I put the gallery in. If the rest of the changes got lost, I'm sorry. Please put them back in. Go ahead and start a discussion of the name change. --evrik ^(talk) 01:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate the speedy clarification, thank you so much! See below for a further discussion on the title. Bsoyka (talk) 02:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Title or sentence case

Starting a new topic here for discussion. (CC: @Evrik)

The current article version uses National Headquarters as a proper noun. (Per WP:LOWERCASE, article titles are written in sentence case.)

Reviewing all five sources on the current version:

1. New York Post: Uses only lowercase, twice.
   1. In 1910, the organization set up its first national headquarters at 200 Fifth Ave., just off Madison Park in the building later known as the Toy Center.
   2. And the national headquarters left Fifth Avenue long ago — the organization is now run from an office park in Texas.
2. Now & Then: Uses only lowercase, once.
   1. The important point in the article is the fact that the national headquarters office moved to 2 Park Ave. in 1927. (page 4)
3. Google Maps: Doesn't mention the term.
4. New Jersey Scout Museum: Uses only lowercase, once or twice.
   1. As the council staff was preparing to move from the old building in Oakhurst to the new one in Morganville, old things were found in every corner of the building, which had been the headquarters for almost 50 years. (Technically not the full term, but worth mentioning.)
   2. Coincidentally, the location is just 14 miles from the site of the Johnston Historical Museum on the grounds of the BSA national headquarters when it was located in North Brunswick, NJ from 1959 to 1986.
5. Boy Scouts of America: Uses only lowercase, once.
   1. Met in a temporary national headquarters in a YMCA office in New York (page 1, under 1910)

I've also found a more recent article from BSA's Scouting Magazine that uses lowercase for the term, after a quick Google search: In 2002, the National Scouting Museum was relocated to Irving, Texas, next door to the BSA’s national headquarters.

Reviewing the sources used in the article and an article from BSA's own publication, there is not a single use that I see of National Headquarters with capitalization (as a proper noun). Therefore, I believe we should follow in using lowercase, both in the title and the article text. Bsoyka (talk) 01:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Evrik Seeing no response to this after a ping and a user talk message, I'm planning on reinstating my changes soon unless you or someone else has a reason otherwise. Thanks for understanding! Bsoyka (talk) 02:01, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

• Go for it. --evrik ^(talk) 20:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)