Talk:Belinda Emmett

Star Name

I wonder if this information can be included in Wikipedia: There is a bright star named after Belinda Emmett: The HR3821 Carinae. Source: http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/info/adopt/adopt-cap.php More infos about the star: http://www.alcyone.de/SIT/bsc/HR3821.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.138.22.96 (talk • contribs) 01:11, November 20, 2006 (UTC).

I can't see why not, as you've included a reference. --Ninevah 06:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This was in fact added a little while ago and I've removed pending further discussion. If you look more closely at the source you might gather that it's not accurate to say the star was "named after" Emmett; she "sponsored" it as part of the Mt Stromlo and Siding Springs Adopt-a-Star programme, presumably by making a donation to the facilities. Hundreds of people have done the same thing so, while laudable, it's not a particularly notable event. Not the same as a crater on the Moon being officially named after Arthur C. Clarke or a snake being named after Monty Python (think I've got those two right) for instance. I don't think it's worth including, myself, at least not until her article gets a lot bigger and such minor details might be thrown in without overbalancing it. Cheers, Ian Rose 03:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's Rove McManus, who "On Valentine's Day 2000 bought naming rights to a star, formerly known as HR-3821. And now one of the brightest stars in the night sky is called Belinda. "http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/rove-says-goodbye-i-thank-her-for-every-blessed-moment/2006/11/17/1163266781651.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.138.22.113 (talk • contribs) 06:48, November 23, 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for that, mate. That gives it some context, which was missing before. If somebody wants to add a line under the 'Marriage' section to the effect that McManus sponsored a star through this programme to put Emmett's name on it as a Valentine's Day gift, citing your news item and the ANU page, then I have no particular objection. That'd give it its proper place, as part of their romance. Cheers, Ian Rose 07:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Although you can "buy" a star, it's not recognised by any astronomical society and multiple people can purchase the same star through different agencies. It may be a romantic gesture but there's no official recognition. Naysie 06:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Bone/breast cancer

Belinda Emmett had breast cancer, which spread to her bone. The breast cancer was never cured. She never had bone cancer. She had breast cancer that spread to her bones. Could we please stop edit-warring? - (Doctor) Richard Cavell

We need to base it on reliable sources. We can't just write anything and then say "trust me - it's correct". The best we have so far says she was successfull treated for breast cancer about 6 years ago, then 2001 she was diagnosed with "secondary breast cancer". Does this not suggest that it is cancer resulting from the earlier? There is not one source (so far) that we have seen that says she actually died from breast cancer. If there are conflicting sources then it is OK to point out that sources conflict. Wikipedia can only report on the hard facts as we know them - the facts are not that she died from breast or bone cancer - the facts are that source ??? reported she died from breast cancer.

I don't know on what basis you are saying she died from breast cancer, you need to provide a source. --Merbabu 02:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not about to hunt through media sources to find a journalist who got it right. The question of whether she died from breast or bone cancer is a medical one, and not one that the media will get correct. Her breast cancer was never cured. Current medical style is to say that cancer is 'in remission' rather than 'cured' for precisely this reason. - Richardcavell 02:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, feel free to edit in changes if they are verifiable and reasonable and if you feel it adds value. And as I said, for me the word "secondary" implied at least a link to the first illness in 98). My only concern was that we should always be wary of "trust me i've heard/read/know it", etc. Cheers and happy editing. --Merbabu 02:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Reports from News Limited, have her cause of death as Bone Cancer, nothing about it being related to her earlier Breast Cancer, that I saw ~shrug~--Gbanderson 06:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

You dont normally die from breast cancer. Rather, its the movement of the original cancererous cells to other vital organs, in this case the bone marrow (which produce immune and respiratory cells, that are essential for life) The destruction of this tissue would have led to her death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.173.198.208 (talk • contribs)

Quotes

Why do we need four quotes from politicians in the Death section? Wouldn't one be enough? I don't think they belong there in the first place, they're only there because people have been reading them on the net today. There don't need to be more quotes than information in the section. 220.236.75.51 06:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I think any tributes from politicians are needed right now; if only one side of the government was represented in the quotes section, it's a form of bias (however subtle).

WP:POV says it all. However, to cite both Howard and Beazley or to just cite Howard would be acceptable. The reason for this is that Howard is the Prime Minister and he (in the general sense) is deemed to be the person running the country (and Beazley is certainly not, and will likely, never run the country). Personally, I'd either include Howard's or both. I wouldn't remove both, but if you must remove any for the sake of space (though this isn't a very long article, so removing, in my opinion, would be a little silly) I would only suggest removing Beazley's comments.

All of that said, each person has brought different things to the table, and I think both should stay as both represents different (and both completely valid) points to be mentioned on the page.

--lincalinca 10:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Beazly send his condolences to Karl Rove? 203.206.121.39 02:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Cremation

Media reports are saying that after Belinda Emmett's funeral, she will be privately cremated. Can't remember what media outlet it was, but it is definately online 124.254.96.238 05:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

wrong photo

I don't know how to edit all this, but the photo showing tonight (Nov 17th, the day of Belinda's funeral)ISN'T of Belinda.

Jim

vandalism

Someone has vandalised this page under the section of death. Please go back to history to revert the vandalism if someone can.

How cruel is that, i mean look at what happened to the poor girl n someone vandalises the page 3bay sam 20:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Posthumous CD release

I apologise for the spelling ;) I wasn't sure whether to add the CD release to Tributes or Music career. I have added it to Tributes but if anyone has other thoughts, I'd love to hear them. Naysie 06:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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Belinda was a great person and i think this article could have featured more.

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