Talk:Annaji Datto Sachiv

Addition of new information and correction of few mistakes

Shivaji's eldest son and presumptive heir, Sambhaji, from Fort of Sajjangad Satara ,from Bank of krishan river went to Diller khan's camp . However sambhaji learnt plan and ill intentions of a Dilir Khan, the Mughal viceroy of Deccan because of his(Diller khan's) attacks on swarajya and it's people so sambhaji decided to leave his camp and go back to swarajya[1] After Sambhaji Maharaj escaped from camp of diller Khan he went to panhala fort on his own (Sambhaji was put under surveillance along with his wife is not correct fact sambhaji maharaj's wife never went to Diller Khan's camp so there was no question of her being kept under surveillance and also The fact that Sambhaji Maharaj was put under surveillance at Panhala by his father is also false because when sambhaji escaped from Diller Khan's camp and he went to vijapur and from there with help of maratha soldiers he went to panhala. infact shivaji maharaj was Happy that sambhaji returned to swarajya again. Shivaji Maharaj before his death met sambhaji maharaj at panhala fort which was after escape of Sambhaji Maharaj from Diller khan's camp and after that meeting Shivaji Maharaj himself gave responsibility of panhala subha to sambhaji Maharaj and placed his (Shivaji Maharaj's) trusted soldier named Malhoji ghorpade under sambhaji at Panhala.[2][3][4][5][citation needed] However, Shivaji Maharaj soon fell ill and died in April 1680. The news of Shivaji Maharaj's death reached Sambhaji Maharaj at Panhala after few days.[6]

At the time of Shivaji's death, Annaji,conspired with Shivaji's widow, Soyarabai along with Peshwa Moropant Pingle and other Council of ministers (ashtapradhan mandal), into making her ten year old younger son Rajaram to the throne of Maratha swarajya with Soyarabai as the regent.and arresting Sambhaji.[7][8] On 21 April 1680, arrangements were made to make Rajaram's position secure. The coronation of Rajaram I was performed by Annaji Datto,Peshwa Moropant Pingale and council of ministers , sardars and other supporters of Rajaram.[9]

  As planned Anaji Datto, anaji's brother Somaji Datto, Rahuji Somnath and few other  minister marched to panhala along with maratha soldiers and commander in chief  Hambirrao mohite to arrest Sambhaji but commander in chief understood the conspiracy of annaji pant and Hambirrao in his mind had a good image of sambhaji  and thought of his side (Sambhaji's) to be true so he took side of sambhaji and so on reaching to panhala  commander in chief Hambirrao  mohite instead of arresting sambhaji arrested those who had  conspired and marched to arrest sambhaji. Sambhaji   [Panhala]] Between 19 May and 2 June 1680. Sambhaji Maharaj marched on Raigad and gained possession of the capital on 18 June 1680. He promptly put Rajaram, Soyarabai in close confinement.  Annaji and other ministers involved in the conspiracy  were arrested but they were all  pardoned by Sambhaji before his coronation in 1681 and  ministers were given their  position back with respect.But after few months of coronation annaji pant,Heroji farzand  and other ministers conspired again against sambhaji twice out of which first one of 

poisoning and killing him failed.and after that in 1681 when Prince Akbar, Aurangzeb's rebel son was given asylum by Sambhaji. Annaji ,Heroji Farzand , other Ministers (members of asthapradhan mandal)and few other sardars promised the Deccan to Akbar and overthrow Sambhaji . Akbar refused to be a party to this conspiracy and informed about these conspirators to Sambhaji who after proving them guilty of treason executed Annaji, his brother Somaji, Heroji Farzand, Balaji avji and group of the Asthapradhan members,and few Sardars [10][11]. Junto2 (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

== Correct historical facts and sequence in "conflict with sambhaji section "

Respected editor

   Related to section" conflict with Sambhaji " Information in this Wikipedia section about defection to Mughals of Sambhaji  with wife ,returning back,  put under surveillance , execution  of conspirators is wrong kindly correct the wrong information... sources you have referred are not showing complete and correct picture.....even events are not in chronological order...... . Junto29 (talk) 07:55, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding correct historical facts and events in chronological order..

Respected editor

  Information in Wikipedia section "conflict with sambhaji" about sambhaji defection to Mughal with wife , returning Home , kept under surveillance, execution of conspirators, ...are not correct and in chronological order.... references  mentioned are not showing complete and correct picture.... Junto29 (talk) 08:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

While I agree with your argument about chronology, I had to revert your edit as it introduced poor grammar and punctuation in the article. I would still love you to edit this page but there is need for improved proficiency. Thanks. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 13:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. You can edit the Page with New and correct information ,i will give you the facts, chronology you can arrange it with proper punctuations , grammar properly as you want waiting for reply.. thanks Junto29 (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Appreciate the positive tone. I'll wait out your edits and come back to this page on a later date for copyediting purposes. Thanks. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 18:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay Thank you. Junto29 (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

June 2020

Respected editor Under "conflict with Sambhaji section" i want to present fresh points and add few information and correct present information..so i want to put forward some points with your permission.. on talk Page... thank you Ziesteno2 (talk) 07:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, you don't need anybody's permission to edit wikipedia. Please go ahead with your edits/additions. If your edits are constructive and follow rules of wikipedia, they will be kept in the article. Two things to keep in mind, always have reputable sources and neutral point of view. Thanks for being an editor. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 16:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Greater Ponce thank you for reply and suggestions .I can provide information will you edit in article I will provide references, I will require some guidance..Thank you Ziesteno2 (talk) 17:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Respected editor New information which was was reverted to old information.. what is expected to provide new information and make it acceptable.thanky you Ziesteno2 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

You removed information that was well-sourced and replaced it with text that contradicts the existing sources, which is not aceptable. --bonadea contributions talk 20:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Well sir..the provided information in not correct... Information currently present have been taken from incorrect sources..there are no substantial proof regarding such writings and claims.and incidents through which such claims have been made are also not correct if matched with contemporary historical documents, works. I urge Wikipedia to look beyond limited sources of history..new works and new references Ziesteno2 (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

There is a letter written by shivaji to his step brother vyankoji bhosale which describes his(shivaji's) meeting with sambhaji after sambhaji escaped from diller khan's camp and went to panhala....from the contents of letter it is clear that sambhaji was not kept under surveillance and also point mentioned of "unrepentant" is incorrect. If you want entire letter it can be presented with source.... Ziesteno2 (talk) 22:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello editors.regarding the incident of sambhaji returned from Diller khan sambhaji being unrpentantand Shivaji keeping him under surveillance..is not true Here are the sources which proves that- 1 Shivaji (1983) by Sethu Madhavrao s pagdi this book is available in English on page 125 2 Sambhaji ek chikitsa (2005) -Dr Jaysingh Pawar this book is in Marathi language 3. Contemporary French accounts p107 shows authority given to sambhaji to deal with French (dated 1680 ) 4 letter of Shivaji to vykonji Bhosale ( step brother ) describing his satisfactory meeting with sambhaji at panhala.(letter of shivaji's time) I request you to check the sources.to add new information and correct few details...maybe due to language barrier few sources will be difficult to access..or understand..but.. still we Can together can solve this .by discussing by arguments.. Thank you waiting for reply.. Ziesteno2 (talk) 06:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Allegations of House arrest

Respected Editor's the allegation that sambhaji kept under house arrest are untrue.. i would like to provide sources for that.. thank you Ziesteno2 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)