Talk:Andy Hansen/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Hooray! (I guess I'm impatient; sometimes I nearly forgot it was nominated.) — KV5 • Talk • 22:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

After doing a skim read (full one will be tomorrow ideally), I'm concerned that the article might be too stat-intensive. Some are good, but too many will leave non-baseball fans confused. I'll know if it's a problem after reading it, but that definitely caught my eye. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

There's not a huge amount in his career to talk about besides his stats. I know it's a long article; would linking statistics more often help (once per section rather than once per article)? — KV5 • Talk • 10:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

That probably won't be needed. Basically, if I see anything where there is stat overkill, I'll note it. As for the full review, barring a problem it'll be Monday night (my weekend is shot, else I'd do it sooner) Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's a couple things to start you off:

• "However, the Giants, having given Hansen a 2–0 lead in the first inning, scored five runs in the sixth inning against Pirates starter Fritz Ostermueller, so Hansen did not receive a decision;" If the Giants were already ahead, why would adding five runs to the total create a no-decision? The fact that they lost afterwards makes it true, but not the way it's written currently.
  • Dunno where my head was there. A simple trim sufficed, I think. Should be done — KV5 • Talk • 18:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
• "For the year, Hansen finished with a 3–3 record and a 6.49 ERA in 52 2⁄3 innings pitched; he appeared in 23 games (4 starts) and struck out 15 batters while walking 32, all as a 19-year-old rookie" I would take out the last part and move it to the start, i.e. 'Hansen finished his rookie season with a 3-3 record...while walking 32.'
  • Open to suggestions here, but I didn't really want to remove the age, because it establishes context for the following section wherein he is the Giants' youngest pitcher in 1945. I will try to re-word later and make it less run-on-y. — KV5 • Talk • 18:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • The age can be left in, though I still think moving it to the start of the sentence would sound slightly better. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm only through 1944 though so there will definitely be more coming. Now that I'm reading the article more closely though, the stat issues are not as bad as I originally thought, so that should not be an issue. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Here are the issues I found throughout the rest of the review:

• There are fraction symbols available in the markup edit box (⅔ and ⅓), not sure if using those or the template is more ideal MoS-wise, but just tossing it out there since the big fractions through me off originally, though nothing is technically wrong with them.
  • MOS:NUM says "The use of the few Unicode symbols available for fractions (such as ½) is discouraged entirely, for accessibility reasons among others." — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "Hansen earned a no-decision in a May 17 start against the Cubs,"
  • I assume this was in reference to the hyphen? If so, I've fixed that; if not, what was the issue? — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "he allowed 4 runs through 1 1⁄3 innings" and "and gave up 3 runs in 1 1⁄3 against": despite the fractions, I believe those numbers still need to be written out.
  • OK. I always struggle with what to do in that case. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "the Giants lost; 4–0." comma
  • Oy. Done. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "Mel Ott was Hansen's manager in 1948." he was his manager for those first few seasons of his career; right now it just makes it sound like he was one season.
  • OK, fixed. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "when he pitched 1⁄3 inning" 1/3 of an inning would be consistent with how it is elsewhere.
  • Done. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "in 2⁄3 scoreless innings" perhaps just in 2/3 of an inning; since he struck out two scoreless is implied.
  • Not necessarily; the number of batters faced isn't mentioned and he could have struck out two but allowed a home run in between. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "throwing a perfect 1⁄3 inning" i see this a few times, and I'm not sure if it's worth calling it perfect when he's just facing one batter. I could be wrong though, but it doesn't seem worth it.
  • It seemed better to have some sort of descriptor rather than "pitching 1⁄3 inning" over and over again. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• "and they were described as "recently wedded" when interviewed by author Wes Singletary in 2006" he was recently wedded in 2006 and died in 2002? Sounds a bit off as written, especialy if the two originally dated while he was still active.
  • You're right. The dating and late marriage is actually true, but I didn't realize the disconnect in that Hansen had died four years before Singletary's book was published. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• My main issue with this article is that it seems to get bogged down in the details. It's not too bad, but I had to push myself to get through it; not sure if noting every single game was the best approach. It's about as good of an article as can be made currently, so I think it's fine for GA, though I wouldn't be able to support an FA.
  • Understood; I don't plan on going for FA anyway, I fear it. — KV5 • Talk • 12:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll put the article on hold and will pass it when the issues are fixed. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, it will probably be a few days until I can actually sit down long enough to address these, but not too much longer. Thanks. — KV5 • Talk • 02:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

It's alright, take your time. Gave me time to finish the Killebrew article finally while you wrap this up. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Everything checks out now, so I'll pass the article as a GA. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 14:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)