Talk:Anathema (band)

Line-up

It is apparent that Daniel Cardoso has replaced John Douglas on drums, and Tobel Lopes has replaced Jamie on bass. Anathema have previously announced Daniel as a full member but it is unclear whether Tobel is full or touring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.192.6 (talk) 09:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Statistics

Why do you have a problem with the statistics section? It's quite a nice quick overview and quite common among metal bands' entries Spearhead 10:38, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• The Statistics section is obsolete. It's just repeating the information already present in the introductory paragraph. It doesn't add to the article in any useful way. I don't mean it as an insult, but shouldn't you worry about improving the article instead of inserting again something I have obsoleted through careful editing? --Sn0wflake 00:43, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And just to add another point: most articles about metal bands are one-liners with a lot of useless filler such as "Statistics" and "Related genres" and "See also" and "Similar bands" which don't add in any way to the article. It's pure filler. "My" (notice the "s) articles have a clear intention: give the person the information he or she is looking for, whitout throwing information they don't want or need. --Sn0wflake 01:40, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion there are at least two things to be said for inclusion of a Statistics section. One important aspect is that of uniformity: it would be great if all the band pages on Wiki had at least something of a predictable lay-out. Secondly, a Statistics section would be fine for convenience's sake becaues it easily allows one to check e.g. the country of origin of the band. Compare it with e.g. the infoboxes on pages belonging to countries, cities and musical genres. They generally also don't contain much if any information that can't be extracted from the article, but are still good because they add to the overview. Joost 10:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so let's evaluate what is present on the Statistics section, in four lines (from a random article):

• Genre: Death metal, Grindcore
• Country: UK
• Status: Active
• Time: 1986-

And now what is present on a simple textual description, four lines:

English, Liverpool, deloper of doom metal, founded in 1990, original name Pagan Angel.

Damn, now I am left wondering wether knowing if the band is still active is all that important when you are going to read the article anyway. Do you see mine (and of pretty much ALL of the other editors) point of view, now? --Sn0wflake 15:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Founders of doom metal?

I disagree with that assessment. My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost and Anathema are often credited with developing Doom-Death, but Doom Metal itself was done earlier by bands like Candlemass (and arguably Black Sabbath as well).

— Correct, but I disagree that they had any significant influence from and on doom metal. Neither My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost or Anathema ever played even doom/death. All these bands played gothic/death metal. Nothingagainst (talk) 13:49, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Discography images

I don't know who it was but someone included a rather lenghty discography on this page with album pics. Since I gave Anathema's albums a complete overhaul on their individual pages I thought it was quite useless to keep the images on the main page. You can now click on each release and see the chronology of albums. Cheers. --Steerpike 14:24, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Genre?

I have been listening to "A Fine Day To Exit" and I want to know about the genre of Anathema. I was under the impression that they are metal, but this sounds very AltRock to me. Not that I have a problem with AltRock, it's just not what I was expecting. Opinions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andy5190 (talk • contribs).

Read the article's second sentence. :) Their sound has changed much over the years. --Piet Delport 05:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh... yeah, :D, I'm stupid. Thanks for the info! --Andy Blak 05:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the tags death-doom (early), gothic metal in the infobox do not represent properly Anathema's music.I mean their recent albums are not metal.They are alternative rock, or progressive rock..but they are rock . Also, Alternative 4, Judgement and even Etirnity are somewhat doom-meets-alt.rock ablums, which is alternative metal.I had found some sources about that, but I guess someone has removed them along with this tag.No matter, I'm putting it back, along with alternative rock. Xr 1 (talk)

Anathema are doom.

You can't definitely say ,that Anathema are not a founders of doom metal. Anathema are one of the most important doom metal bands and they still (even) play the doom metal with more influences from prog rock, Alternative rock and early 70-NWOBH. Anathema are one of the founders of more soft doom metal subgenre-"pop doom" not typical newer goth doom. It's a sunbgenre of early doom metal, that shift from the metallic side of doom became more 70-heavy rock and typical newer British rock/pop. Anathema are not doom-"metal" anymore ,but one band who incorporated a strong Black Sabbath-influence and soft alternative/progressive rock/pop. This is a reason why I considered Anathema to the one part of doom metal/rock-scene. And when Anathema start the playing, they playing a Traditional doom metal and mix it with death metal influences, but they were more Traditional doomy metal than other death/doom groups at this time. Anathema owns their unique sabbathique sound.

In the beginning Anathema most certainly was a founder of the genre. Accurately, they are mentioned alongside My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost, and if you listen to albums from these two from this time period, there is a recognizeable similarity. There is no way you can call them not a founder.

Though they were the first to break from the typical doom formula first (of these three), and have branched the furthest out, they do of course retain a lot of the feel, even with the instrumentation being so far removed. If you look at contemporary MDB and Paradise Lost, they have changed much too (with MDB staying the most traditional) but in my opinion both have also taken on some degree of the "progressive" element that Anathema has.

The band I would connect them to most closely though is Katatonia. The main argument against this here is that Katatonia is not often listed with the beginning of the doom genre, because they are not British like the rest. this usually makes them more analagous to Opeth. They and Anathema both have their first [doom] LPs in 93, both have the transitional album in 98, and then having more of a progressive sound from then on, a more similar adaptation of it than the other founders. (Though Katatonia maintains more metal in their riffs, and has a different lyrical theme) –Pomte 20:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

— ANATHEMA was just SLIGHTLY influenced by doom at some point, but not much, and they never were an actual doom metal band. First off, they started out as typical UK death metal - just listen to their demo tapes and first 7" record. It's just death metal under huge BOLT THROWER influence. That influence is evident even on next releases such as Crestfallen EP and Serenades, although they clearly moved towards gothic/death metal style there. There is a difference: GOTHIC/DEATH METAL = early Anathema, My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost's 2nd album, Tiamat, The Gathering, Crematory DOOM/DEATH METAL = early Cathedral, Dream Death SLOW DEATH METAL: Winter, Disembowelment, Asphyx, Anathema demos etc. Nothingagainst (talk) 13:29, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Nothing with gothic

Neither in their metal career,nor now,Anathema had used gothic elements in their music. Please stop adding "Gothic" label.

— Sorry, but not only they used a lot of gothic elements but were known as one of the biggest bands in gothic metal scene during the 90s. Yes, they started out just as death metal band (early demo tapes and 7" record), but then they played gothic/death metal (Crestfallen, Serenades, Pentecost III), then definite gothic metal (The Silent Enigma), then gothic/progressive metal (Eternity) and then modern gothic rock (Alternative 4). I see no reason why we should not use the gothic label when they released even 6 albums in some form of gothic genre. Nothingagainst (talk) 13:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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"Turning Points"

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th album all are said to be the turning point in anathema's career. Anathema, supposedly, released one "real" album, had a 3 album "turning point," and then just died off? That's the vibe I'm getting from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.225.72 (talk • contribs) 2007-07-21 07:29:52

They Die 7 and We Are the Bible

The 7 are not on the Discography

There's: -They Die 7" (1992 7" Witchhunt Records) with "They Die" on the A side and "Crestfallen" on the B side; -We Are the Bible (1994 7" VILECC6) with "Nailed to the Cross / 666" on the A side and "Eternal Rise of the Sun" on the B side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.212.145.99 (talk) 17:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it's on the singles, I didn't saw that.

Prog metal

I addaed progressive metal tag to "mid"-section of infobox instead of "Gothic rock". Would it be a better choice? --Etos 16:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Internet speculation

Removed this. I almost can't believe I have to explain why, but for the sake of politeness: if it is 'internet speculation' this contravenes what constitutes a reliable source at best, is certainly original research, and could be construed as vandalism. Leave speculation out of here, or provide a source or I will flag it. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC) 19:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Darren White Redirect

Why does Darren White redirect to Anathema article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.246.61.112 (talk) 07:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Because someone made it do that. There was apparently something on the talk page about it, but I can't find it, so I reverted it. DrSturm (talk) 18:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hindsight Album: "Compilation" or "Studio Album"?

I'm not sure that the Hindsight album should be listed in the compilations category; the songs on the album are new recordings, mainly acoustic versions. A compilation album is usually along the lines of "The Best of...", in that the songs which appear on them are exactly the same as those that appeared on the original releases. This is not the case with "Hindsight".

It is a Compilation album, they are not necessarily "best offs"", Compilation albums can also include acoustic remakes.T.tyrael (talk) 01:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

"Is" VS "are" for collective nouns.

A small edit war has begun on this page over the usage of plural versus singular verbs for a collective noun. In general, in particular for the verb "to be", you use the singular unless the band name itself is plural (for example, The Beatles). The Wikipedia article on Collective Nouns says this (and even explains that there is no difference with regards to National Varieties of English - one argument to the contrary), and the AP Style Book (2000 version here, but you can see in emails on the official website confirmation) states the same thing under the "collective nouns" section. In this case, completely without regard for American versus British English, "Anathema is" is the proper form. DrSturm (talk) 04:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe if we are to say 'they' then the correct verb is 'are', as in 'they are touring...' vs 'they is touring...'. It would be contradictory to say 'Anathema is...' and then use the 'they' to refer to 'them' instead of it. 2A02:8109:1A40:38E0:18EB:972D:3425:637E (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Improving the article

I have done several edits to all articles related to Anathema, feel free do discuss any changes here.T.tyrael (talk) 00:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Darren White touring with Anathema again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1wSn4xeTlI

It appears that he is at least playing some shows with them. I don't really know how to insert this information into the main article, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:1A40:38E0:D85F:5F2F:86A9:6E17 (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Recent edit to Hindsight

Hi everyone. I have many of the articles related to Anathema on my watchlist, including the one mentioned in the subject line.

An anonymous editor recently added, with this edit, that a cello player on the album is a registered sex offender. My concern is not about libel necessarily, because the information about David Wesling the cello player and David Wesling the RSO being the same person appears to check out. (Another source.)

My concerns lie in how relevant the information is to the Hindsight album, since Wesling had only ever been a come-and-go session cellist for Anathema and also does not have his own Wikipedia article. I absolutely support pedophiles being exposed for their actions, yes; but I do not know if this type of controversial information should be presented in such a way on that album page, and if it is too distracting from the content about the album itself. I believe that #2a02's edit is well intended and was made with the purpose of being productive for the article; but this is a unique and uncomfortable matter that I believe needs to be analyzed thoughtfully and acted correctly toward.

Any thoughts and opinions on this? I will invite 2a02 to this thread, and will not be making a hasty edit in response to the one 2a02 made. Thank you. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 06:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)