Talk:Agacheri

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Agacheri/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Aintabli (talk · contribs) 02:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: IntentionallyDense (talk · contribs) 05:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I will review this shortly. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 05:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Noted some prose issues below. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	MOS is complied with. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	I spot-checked both sources and found no issues. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	2c. it contains no original research.	IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Left some suggestions regarding further sources to incorporate and areas where information may be missing. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	No unnecessary details. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	unbiased. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	N/A IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	N/A IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	7. Overall assessment.	On hold until Aintabli addresses my comments thus far. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Based on a quick google search I could not find any images. One consideration would be to include a map of the area where the tribe inhabited if information available allows that. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• This seems like a tricky topic to find any information on but for the sake of being thorough, where have you checked for more sources? For example I found this book which gives some more info. I will continue to search. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 03:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  Update: I found these sources. [1][2][3][4] They may not all have additional info not covered but are worth checking out. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 05:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Smaller nitpick but countries don't need to be wikilinked. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Present-day members of the tribe in Iran, primarily those who do not speak Turkic is there more information on the present day members? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• However, medieval historians including Izz al-Din ibn Shaddad, Abu al-Faraj, Rashid al-Din Hamadani, Aziz ibn Ardashir-i Astarabadi, Badr al-Din al-Ayni, and al-Maqrizi mentioned the tribe's Turkmen origin. Are all these names needed? The list of names makes this sentence hard to read. could you shorten it a bit? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  Cropped that part and included the list in a footnote.

• Ali Beg and various other Agacheri lords entered in the Aq Qoyunlu ruler I'm not super well versed in this topic but in what context is the word "lords" being used here? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  Here, it stands for "chieftains", "warlords", or any kind of petty rulers. Replaced it with "chieftains".

• Related to the last question but is there more information on the lords themselves, how and why they were worshiped etc? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  It wasn't in a religious sense.

• Agacheri is not mentioned in Safavid chronicles. Again this question is mainly due to my ignorance in this topic, but what significance does not being mentioned in Safavid chronicles have and could it be explained in the article? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  Chronicles here appear to be the main type of Iranian "primary sources" left from those times.

• records as a wealthy tribe of 1000 tents in Fars province Does this mean literal camping tents or something else? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  Tents can stand for households, which I have now included in parentheses.

• Demorgny put the population of Agacheri around Behbahan at 2000 families in 1913. Who is "Demorgny"? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  His first name is Gustave, but I don't know his exact profession, so I have just introduced him as a French author. Aintabli (talk) 19:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• Aintabli It's been almost a week since I put this review on hold. If you're unable to respond to my feedback within the next few days I will have to close this nomination as unsuccessful due to inactivity. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 18:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  I'm working on it right now. Aintabli (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  Sounds good. Your responses to my feedback thusfar have been good and I don't really have much to say otherwise. Let me know when you're done making changes! IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)