Talk:Abdul Ahad Azad

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Abdul Ahad Azad was the first Kashmiri poet to introduce revolutionary themes to Kashmiri literature? Source: Kachru, Braj B. (2023). Kashmiri literature. A history of Indian literature / Series editor Jan Gonda Vol. 8, Modern Indian-Aryan literatures, part 1 (Reprint 2020 ed.). New Delhi: Manohar. pp. 55–58. ISBN 978-93-88540-55-1.
  • ALT1: ... that Abdul Ahad Azad laid the foundations of literary criticism in Kashmiri literature? Source: Gauhar, G. N., 1934- (1997). Abdul Ahad Azad. Sahitya Akademi. New Delhi: Sahitya Akademi. pp. 50–58. ISBN 81-260-0322-7. OCLC 37993483. Archived from the original on 22 September 2024. Retrieved 22 September 2024.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  • ALT2: ... that Abdul Ahad Azad was the first Kashmiri poet to introduce revolutionary themes and literary criticism in Kashmiri literature? Source: Above
  • Reviewed:

5x expanded by Ratekreel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Ratekreel (talk) 00:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC).

• Interesting article, thanks. I will review this shortly. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, Onceinawhile. Ping me when you do. Ratekreel (talk) 10:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ratekreel: I like ALT2 as it is surprising to be the first at both revolutionary themes and literary criticism. I don’t think the word “Kashmiri” is needed before poet? Please could you provide a quotation from the source that supports the claim as written in ALT2? Onceinawhile (talk) 11:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sure. I also prefer ALT2 (forgot to mention in nomination). Here are the quotes from the books cited above. For introducing revolutionary themes, see:

In this sense, then, Azad introduced revolutionary themes and a revolutionary spirit in Kashmiri poetry...It was, as Kaul says, "a nazm, a poem much longer than the ghazal, though written in ghazal radif (end-rhymes), with a unity of theme, and, secondly the theme was boldly revolutionary."
Azad was not only a poet; he also compiled the first history of Kashmiri language and poetry, Kashmiri Zabaan aur Sayirir ("Kashmiri Language and Poetry").

— Braj Kachru, The Modern Period (1900-1947), Kashmiri Literature: A history of Indian literature, pp. 57-58

Kaul, above, is referring to Azad's poem, Shikwa-i-Iblis. For being the first literary critic, see:

It is Azad who has laid down the foundation of criticism in Kashmiri language...To evaluate Kashmiri verse, Azad had a deep understanding of the various trends in our literature. He had grasped well the socio-political compulsions of our history to assess, in an objective manner, his predecessors and contemporaries. To arrive at the best conclusions in his assessment of art and thought of Kashmir he made deeper study of philosophies which had some impact on Kashmir creativity.

— Ghulam Nabi Gowhar, Abdul Ahad Azad, pp. 50

Maybe, we could also include that he composed first history of Kashmiri language and poetry (covered by Kachru), in ALT2 or I'll maybe propose a new ALT. --Ratekreel (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Completed review of the article, pending completion of the hook discussion. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ratekreel: I am fine with your suggestion to amend the hook. Whatever you decide, please could you add a version of the hook, with citations, to the article lead. Many thanks. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Done (see diff). I propose the following hook:

• ALT3 ... that Abdul Ahad Azad was the first poet to introduce revolutionary themes and literary criticism in Kashmiri literature, and composed the first history of the Kashmiri language and its poetry?

This is covered by both the quotations I've added above. --Ratekreel (talk) 16:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Good to go. @Ratekreel: I made a few typographical improvements to ALT3 in this edit - hopefully ok for you? Onceinawhile (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Onceinawhile, looks good to me. --Ratekreel (talk) 16:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Abdul Ahad Azad/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Ratekreel (talk · contribs) 19:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Kavyansh.Singh (talk · contribs) 10:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Inconsistency in the usage of King's comma (Oxford comma). We have both the instances of using and not using it. Decide the convention, and abide by that.
• "Azad is considered to be the first revolutionary poet and is credited with laying the foundations of literary criticism in Kashmiri literature." -- This is a significant claim, is this the standard belief in historical and contempory scholars, or is this statement based upon isolated examples in a few articles?
• "These three poets set the stage for literary renaissance in Kashmiri literature which came only after 1947." -- Doesn't look too neutral, and is not really required in the lead.
• The lead is not an adequate summary of the article, it doesn't summarize various sections including political views, literary works, etc. See MOS:LEAD.
• In the infobox, can we replace "Union of India" with just "India", and "british India" with "British Raj"? And is writing "Kashmir, Jammu and Kashmir" a standard practice? (Im not too aware of it, have been to Kashmir just once, absolutely beautiful place!)
• "Muhammad Sultan Dar and belonged to the" --> "Muhammad Sultan Dar belonging to the"
• "early education" can be rephrased as "preliminary education"
• "madrassa and was" --> "madrassa, where he was" Y
• "Persian, Arabic and Islamic philosophy" all three can be individually linked. Y
• "and was appointed by government" -- the british governemnt? im assuming Y
• "as a primary school teacher. He taught Arabic at a primary school in Zowhama, before being transferred to Tral." --> "as a primary school teacher in Zowhama, where he taught Arabic; he was later transferred to Tral." Y
• "Azad married a village girl and had a son" --> "He married in 19XX, and had a son"
• "at the age of four years" --> we don't need 'years' when we have specefied 'age'; generally Y
• "who died suddenly" -- we generally don't used such phrasing in an encyclopedia. Ofcouse 'suddenly' is something we do use in our informal language, but here we don't. "who died" would suffice sufficiently. Y
• "This is said to have left a deep psychological mark on him." -- said by whom? Either it is a fact or a presumption. The way it is presented in the article should make the reader clear of its status as a fact or presumption ot assumtion.
• "Azad was victimized by the Dogra administration because of his revolutionary thinking and was transferred to far places." --> "Azad was often victimized (HOW?) by the Dogra administration due to his revolutionary ideology (WHAT?), as as a result was transferred to distant locations."
• "and was not permitted to visit his ailing son" -- didn't he die?
• "At the age of 39, he came in close contact with" : (1) specify the year rather than have to reader to calculate 1903 + 39. (2) 'he came in close contact' is ambihious. What was Bazaz to him? Collegue? Mentor? Friend? I'm assuming the intention is to say "he was deeply inspired by his __ bazaz" Y
• "and his socialist colleagues and was ideologically drifting towards radical Marxism." -- Split, its too long and has too many 'and's. Y

Ive just read the lead and the first section, a major part of artcile is still remaining, but there are significant issues with the prose. I'll put on hold for the nominator to fix these issues and look in the rest of the article for such similar issues. Since its the nominator's first nomintion, I'll be lineant and allow them to take their time and do this within 15-20 days. Feel more than free to let me know if you face any difficulties, I'll be happy to assist. Thankyou! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 11:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Kavyansh.Singh, thank you so much for taking this. I'm new to this area of the Wikipedia. I'll take a deeper look into what you've posted here tonight as I'm currently travelling. --Ratekreel (talk) 11:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Sure, please take your time and let me know if there's any way I can help with this. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Kavyansh.Singh, I've made some changes and addressed most of the above concerns. The claim that Azad is the first revolutionary poet and laid foundations of literary criticism are what most scholars, both historical and contemporary believe, see Bazzaz, Kachru and Gauhar, etc for example. Could you please have a look? Ratekreel (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)