Talk:Abdelaziz Bouteflika

Party

President Bouteflika is not a member of any party. --TwinsFan48

http://www.electionworld.org/algeria.htm says otherwise. What is your reference? Morwen 15:55, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Algeria.html He used to be leader of the party, but in his official capacity as president does not belong to any party. --TwinsFan48 21 Dec 2003

That page says

5 May 2003 - Ahmed Ouyahia (2nd time) (s.a.) RND

which I don't understand how it demonstrates your point. Morwen 16:14, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)

Ouyahia is a partisan, but Bouteflika is not. TwinsFan48

That's right president Bouteflika is not a member of any party. He used to be a leading member of the FLN party but then was voted out of the leadership in the early 80's. When he presented himself in the 1999 elections he did so as an independant candidate even though he was backed by 3 parties (FLN, RND, HMS). And when he was re-elected for his second mandate in April 2004, same thing: he presented himself as an independant candidate with support from the same parties. The three parties which support him have joined in a non-permanent alliance called the "presidential alliance" to pass his governments bills in parliament, after his landslide victory in the 2004 elections. (by Jamal, Algerian citizen)

Family

Does Abdelaziz Bouteflika have a family? Any children? Is he married?

There is some redundancy in the Family section of the article, which has a lot of political information repeated in later sections. The non-family information in the family section should be merged into other sections.

How can Said Bouteflika be the president's physician! He's a computer scientist not a medical doctor. Please correct or give reference.

Yes, I also thought about that Osmnvc15 (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

NPOV

This article needs to be fixed for several reasons, (1) it is not written in the professional manner needed for a Wikipedia entry, especially about a president of a country and (2) it is pure speculation as to why the biography omits his birthplace. How do we even know he was born in Morocco? I am not sure if i put the right tag on it, but their is definitely a problem worth noting with this article.--Thomas.macmillan 13:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

We know that he was born in morocco because everybody knows he was born in morocco, it's like knowing that the earth is not flat, All the books that speaks about him says he was born in morocco, every news paper in ALgeria says he was born in morocco, his friends, his family have said he was born in morocco, he have said it and have never denied it, it is not a mistery. We are not living in the neolithic where people forgot where they were born.

Every news paper in algeria has noted that his birth place is omitted, every polical observer says it is for political reasons, these are known facts, but in order to be neutral, there is a little word in the sentence : "probably". We need to speak about it because it is not normal that an official biography omits the birthplace of a president. Toira 17:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Please - look into the marriage claim - no Algerian accepts this. The claim is from one source - Mohamed benchicou's book Bouteflika Une Imposture Algerienne but not repeated anywhere else. Unless some more evidence comes to light - I don't think Wiki should put this down as a fact. Boutaflika himself has said he is not married - except to his country!

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Blatant POV

I'm no avid supporter of the current president, but a negative POV is strong in this article, really it's not very hard for anyone to notice that. Lots of uncited claims. --80.47.19.60 07:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently the President of Algeria is a crab-eating Macaque, because THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURE SHOWS, instead of a picture of a man, it's a monkey :O --Gremlin66 —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC).

the 2010-11 revolution

There's been major protests against this guy since december ad it looks like there's going to be a huge one tomorrow. Shouldn't we mention this?Ericl (talk) 22:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

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Apparently an enemy of free speech.

Wikipedia notes the death on 11dec2016 of a blogger named Mohamed Tamalt, due to complications from a hunger strike he staged to protest his imprisonment for posting something Bouteflika found personally insulting. Seems to me that kind of abuse of power merits mention in this biographical article about Bouteflika. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/11/mohamed-tamalt-british-algerian-journalist-dies-hunger-strike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.41.117.182 (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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American pictures

There are currently three photos in the article of the president meeting American representatives (one of which also includes representatives from third countries). Is this appropriate, is it WP:UNDUE weight of the relations between the two nations? The current balance of images on this page suggests he had a special relationship. I see many articles on Wikipedia where the only public domain images are from the state department, so there are lots of images of people meeting American representatives or celebrities visiting soldiers. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Fixed it myself, replaced one with him casting a vote, for a bit of variety Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Unknown Temptation: Good work! I also agreed with your concern. I replaced the image of him casting his vote with one of him with Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner seeing how the picture of him casting the vote is duplicated as his infobox image is a cropped version of it. Good work! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I support replacing the pictures with ones involving other activities other than meeting with American representatives. This seems to be a good way to balance out the images and removes the potential bias or WP:UNDUE weight of the relationships between the two countries as mentioned by Unknown Temptation. Jurisdicta _Talk Jurisdicta (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

The problem is finding pictures that are not copyrighted. I tried once to find something else to replace one of the pictures showing a leader from a French-speaking African country with American presidents and secretaries of state. There was nothing on COMMONS. I searched the web for pictures showing him with French presidents or other foreign leaders. I found quite a few, but they were all under copyright. The Americans are just about the only ones who release uncopyrighted pictures showing their presidents, secretaries of State, military officials, etc. --Lubiesque (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

That is good to know. I did not realize that other countries did not produce photos of world leaders that are not under copyright. Jurisdicta _Talk

Picture

@M.Bitton

just like Muammar Gaddafi, with a career spanning decades, he's mostly remembered for what he did in his youth

He was not the leader of Algeria in his youth... Moreover the Hirak movement was sparked by the outrage of having an old decrepit, so weak he needs a delegate to present his candidacy for him, trying to have yet another term as president. Synotia (moan) 13:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I know who he was and what he represented. I also know that had it not been for his fame (based on what he did in his youth), he would have never been elected president in the first place. To me, the old photo is how he's remembered. I don't intend on discussing this at length, partly because there is no right or wrong answer. Ultimately, this is an editorial call and I just happen to agree with the editor who added it. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

No disrespect, but what matters is not how you remember him. I mean, just take a look. Synotia (moan) 19:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say that's how I remember him. I specifically said "to me, the old photo is how he's remembered", meaning that in my opinion, that's how he's remembered (others are free to have a different opinion). How those who only discovered him lately would remember him (assuming they have an interest in the subject and a good memory) doesn't affect what I said. M.Bitton (talk) 20:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure. But how did you come to the conclusion that he's remembered that way? The link I sent you might give a glimpse on his public image Synotia (moan) 07:01, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

The photo should at the very least not be twenty-two years prior to his election as president of Algeria. Claiming that what Bouteflika is most known for is something other than being president of Algeria is strange. There is a 2008 picture on commons which may be slightly more flattering than the one Synotia suggested. Could you find a photo from when he was president and add it M. Bitton? Thanks. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 14:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@SashiRolls: I don't really mind. That was just an opinion and as I stated before, there is no right or wrong answer. What do you have in mind? M.Bitton (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

We can go with either the previous version or this one (unless you, Synotia or Skitash have another suggestion). M.Bitton (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

The previous version is the one on wikidata and so on most wikis, fr.wp and ar.wp have the second one (as did en.wp at one point as I seem to recall, though I may be mistaken). It doesn't matter that much to me. The first image you list has lots of extraneous heads in it. The simplest would just be to self-revert, perhaps, and let the discussion continue here.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 20:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't really mind what picture is used. We can go with either of those pictures but I would suggest moving that 1977 picture to a section below. Skitash (talk) 13:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

• Not a fan of the current infobox image. The infobox image should depict the subject (if an officeholder) while in office so in this case, a photo of Bouteflika was president. He wasn't known for his activities in his youth so having a young picture of him doesn't make sense. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
• I went ahead and changed it to the image that is used on fr.wp and ar.wp. If others disagree, we can go back to the one that was there before the changes (by Skitash first, followed by Synotia) and let the discussion continue. M.Bitton (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)