Talk:2024 North Macedonian parliamentary election

The titel is wrong

It is wrong it should be North Macedonia acording to Prespa not Nortmacedonian this is wrong 77.29.230.97 (talk) 18:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not party to the Prespa agreement. We use the common English terms. Number 57 18:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Number 57 it is wrong see this https://mfa.gov.mk/en/document/1505/final-agreement-for-the-settlement-on-the-name-issue-%E2%80%93-media-guidelines you have to 77.29.224.249 (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Erm, no. Wikipedia does not have to do what the North Macedonian government wants. Number 57 08:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Um, excuse me, but Wikipedia also follows the Prespa agreement. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) MkEditor12 (talk) 01:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

It does not 46.217.139.23 (talk) 21:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

No you will have to follow it https://mfa.gov.mk/en/document/1505/final-agreement-for-the-settl ement-on-the-name-issue-%E2%80%93-media-guidelines 46.217.139.23 (talk) 21:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Number 57 This is a world wide page, not an English exclusive page. So use the correct world guidelines since with this you deny a whole nation. 92.53.50.125 (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dispute is between "North Macedonian election" and "election of North Macedonia" (or even "North Macedonia's election"), yes? We should follow WP:NCMAC. This says:

When referring to official state institutions of North Macedonia, the Prespa agreement stipulates that both adjectival forms should be avoided in favor of the possessive form ("of North Macedonia" or "North Macedonia's"). When referring to such state institutions by their official names, the article should respect the newly established forms of these names that follow this convention (e.g. Assembly of the Republic of North Macedonia). However, in line with the reliable sources, adjectives may still be used when referring to such institutions in generic terms (e.g. the Greek and North Macedonian prime ministers), especially where the possessive form would be grammatically cumbersome or unnatural. While reliable sources continue to use both plain "Macedonian" and "North Macedonian" in such contexts, the majority opinion in the RfC favored the fuller form, "North Macedonian".

We are referring to an election in generic terms, so the guidance supports "North Macedonian". I see plenty of reliable sources using "North Macedonian" too and we are guided by reliable sources. I think we should stick with the current name. Bondegezou (talk) 14:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bondegezou Yes use Elections in North Macedonia. There is no "North Macedonian" prime minister. There is Macedonian prime minister and Greek prime minister, or if you want to go by the Prespa agreement do it like this "Prime minister of North Macedonia". The adjectival reference to the State, its official organs, and other public entities shall be in line with the official name of the Second Party or its short name, that is, “of the Republic of North Macedonia” or “of North Macedonia”. Other adjectival usages, including those referring to private entities and actors, that are not related to the State and public entities, are not established by law and do not enjoy financial support from the State for activities abroad, may be in line with Article 7(3) and (4). The adjectival usage for activities may be in line with Article 7(3) and (4). This is without prejudice to the process established under Article 1 (3) (h) and compound names of cities that exist at the date of the signature of this Agreement. I don't understand why do you insist on this when it is clearly stated in the Prespa agreement. 92.53.50.125 (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bondegezou And also, North Macedonian implies that there is a North Macedonian nation, which is incorrect. According to the Prepsa agreement The nationality of the Second Party shall be Macedonian/citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia, as it will be registered in all travel documents. c) The official language of the Second Party shall be the “Macedonian language”, as recognised by the Third UN Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names, held in Athens in 1977, and described in Article 7(3) and (4) of this Agreement. So please stop this, you don't understand that this is a very sensitive issue. 92.53.50.125 (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

This nonsense has been going on for years and needs to stop. "North Macedonian" is common usage in English and English speakers are in no way bound by the Prespa agreement, nor any others. Comments like this or this or this means you are not worth engaging with. Number 57 16:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Number 57 Ahaa so you don't like it right? It doesn't feel good right? Now you know how we feel, when you people insist on this North Macedonian elections... 92.53.50.125 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

As Number 57 said, we are not bound by the Prespa agreement. We follow Wikipedia’s own guidance at WP:NCMAC. If you disagree with that, you can discuss the matter at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Macedonia). Bondegezou (talk) 06:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Coalition names

@Mirditor22: Would it not be best to continue to use "VMRO-DPMNE coalition" and "SDSM coalition" in the infobox, as done for previous election articles, rather than having redlinks to Your Macedonia! and For a European Future?

Or alternatively perhaps we could create articles for them that cover the entire history of the coalitions led by the two main parties (similar to Rivers of Justice, which covers all the various SDP-led coalitions in Croatia since 2009). Cheers, Number 57 13:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Why not! That idea you have, for me is the best solution. Mirditor22 (talk) 14:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I have created For a European Future as a start. Cheers, Number 57 16:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)