Talk:2010 Kosovan parliamentary election

Serb voters

this is not important right now, but eventually we will have to add some note becasue of the high relevance about the Serb voters in Mitrovica, etc. Did they vote or boycott? Are/will there be any Serb representation in Pristina?Lihaas (talk) 08:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Resolved

Lihaas (talk) 10:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

page move

to Kosovar/Kosova because that is the term used for people/things of kosovo, and the revert was not explained eitherLihaas (talk) 12:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

This was discussed on the Kosovan parliamentary election, 2007 article. Kosovan is more neutral than Kosovar (which refers exclusively to the Albanian population). пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, i changed the title then to add this and reflect the article name.Lihaas (talk) 13:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Links for the elections

Here are some relevant links James Michael DuPont (talk) 06:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Facebook group of the election commission

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17271511635

Facebook is not a RS.Lihaas (talk) 09:57, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

47 % turnout

http://www.telegrafi.com/?id=2&a=11764

 DoneLihaas (talk) 09:57, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Exit polls

http://www.ganibobicenter.org/

• PDK - 29%
• LDK - 25%
• VV - 17%
• AAK - 12%
• AKR - 7%
• FER - 5%
• (ETC)TJERA - 3%
• LDD - 2%

 DoneLihaas (talk) 09:57, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Lihaas, Shouldn't the exit poll results be in section "Polls", and the official results in "Results"? Crnorizec (talk) 10:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I understand the confusion, but polls in these articles refer to the opinion judgements of potential voters before the election, the exit polls function as temp. resutls (and removed when official confirmations). Maybe we should call it "opinion polls"?Lihaas (talk) 10:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice article

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbs-divided-on-kosovo-election-day

found before, but  Done tooLihaas (talk) 09:57, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Links

there are some valuable links, but according to EL should not go on. However, consensus can go on and if we get this i will add it to the page.

[1] and party specific [2][3][4][5][6][7][8]Lihaas (talk) 10:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

more data

Found what I belive to be Banska, added article Banjska (village). see also my list of places in kosovo Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Social_sciences/Geography,_cities,_regions_and_named_places/Kosovo

more articles:

• Hashim Thaçi claims victory in Kosovo elections http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/hashim-thaci-claims-victory-kosovo-elections-news-500526
• Hashim Thaçi claims victory in Kosovo elections http://vaggi.de/de/nachrichten/europa-nachrichten/22811-hashim-thaci-claims-victory-in-kosovo-elections.html

Hth. James Michael DuPont (talk) 13:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what the first part seeks on this page. but the 2nd part is already on, i added the 2nd link too.Lihaas (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

first part? the first link or the town itself? James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

the whole think about banjska. But i suppose now it was just the different spellign and youve sorted it.Lihaas (talk) 22:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

more controversy

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/video-highlights-mass-fraud-concern-in-kosovo-poll

In a statement today, the MEPs wrote: “Serious allegations of fraud in two municipalities have been brought to the attention of the delegation. “The delegation encourages the political parties to follow proper legal procedures. “Identified perpetrators should be prosecuted promptly in line with the law in order to curtail the culture of impunity."

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2010/12/kosovos_election

One senior diplomat says he witnessed “industrial-scale” fraud in the central region of Skenderaj; another says that in the same area the words “vote count” should be substituted by “vote cook”.

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/Nachrichten/1867530-2/massive-betrugsvorw%C3%BCrfe-gegen-wahlsieger-thaci-im-kosovo.csp

Gegen die Partei des kosovarischen Ministerpräsidenten Hashim Thaci, die ersten Trends zufolge die Parlamentswahl am gestrigen Sonntag gewonnen hat, sind massive Betrugsvorwürfe erhoben worden. In zwei Hochburgen des Premiers (Srbica und Glogovac) lag die Wahlbeteiligung bei 93 Prozent, fast doppelt so hoch wie im Landesdurchschnitt (48 Prozent). Es soll mehrfache Stimmabgeben gegeben haben, berichteten EU-Wahlbeobachter am Montag. Sie sprachen in einer Aussendung von „besorgniserregenden Zwischenfällen“, die aufgeklärt werden müssten.

James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

It seems like the first 2 are already in, i cant understand the third so ill leave that.

The 2nd part mentioning "industrial-scale fraud" is not in verbatim, but if its the american voice then tht is in already.Lihaas (talk) 22:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

relevant forum links

this thread has useful information and links http://www.forumishqiptar.com/showthread.php?p=2949054 James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

not in english so i cant read the relevant portions.Lihaas (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

sources removed

These two sources were removed: http://indeksonline.net/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68610&catid=1&Itemid=29 http://www.rtv21.tv/home1/index.php?section=news&cmd=details&newsid=12596&teaserId=4< James Michael DuPont (talk) 06:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

not sure what this is about. Was it just an extra linkor removed for some reasons? could we some details so we can answer it.Lihaas (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Turkish Party

Just got this in as a mail, needs sources:

Kosova Demokratik Türk Partisi-KDTP’nin Kosova genelinde 8082, Kosova Türk Birliği-KTB’nin de 1833 oy aldığını vurguladı. İlk gayri resmi sonuçlara göre, 3.3% Dardaniya Demokratik Birliği-LDD ve 2.2% oy alan Yeni Akım-FER 5% lik barajı geçemedi. Buna göre KDTP önümüzdeki dönemde de 3 milletvekili ile Kosova Meclisi'nde Türkleri temsil edecek.

translation:

the Kosovo Democratic Turkish KDTP'nin Party of Kosovo in 8082, the Turkish Union of Kosovo-KTB'nin also stressed that the 1833 vote. The first unofficial results, 3.3% and 2.2% Dardaniya Democratic Union-ldd vote did not pass the threshold of a new current-FER 5%. Accordingly, in the period ahead KDTP with three deputies to represent the Assembly of Kosovo Turks.

Kosovo Democratic Turkish KDTP Turkish_Democratic_Party_of_Kosovo.

sources :

http://www.kosovahaber.net/?page=2,9,4198 http://www.sondakika.com/haber-3-milletvekiliyle-temsil-edilecekler-2413777/ http://sadehaberler.com/_kosovali_turkler_3_milletvekili_adayi_ile_parlamentoda_temsil_edilecek_haberi_225907.aspx

see : http://www.kdtp.org/kdtp/

07:39, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

think we can eihter add this in now, or wait for consolidation results for all parties and post that.Lihaas (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

FER disputes election results

Translation of http://www.telegrafi.com/?id=2&a=11823

The New Spirit Party (FER) does not accept the preliminary findings of extraordinary parliamentary elections presented by the CEC due to abuse and manipulation throughout Kosovo, assessing that the institutions that emerge from them are illegitimate.

In a response to say that's fair election day its activists have been witnessing the manipulation of the free vote throughout Kosovo with the cases of all kinds, such as

• constant pressure from representatives of PDK in the marking of voters votes,
• the vote outside the polling station selling for 20 euros in Mitrovica;
• physical threat from the PDK representative to monitor the party, not allowing the filling of the complaint of irregularities in the polling station, conduct additional votes at the polls by persons suspected;
• arrival boxes with the same figure by counting center Drenas;
• attendance voting, exit polling station despite the person responsible for the detection of fingerprints;
• attendance despite the failure of the detector stations throughout election day;
• not detecting the ink on the finger of detectors that allegedly have been in operation.

"All these and many other cases of irregularities during election day fair has submitted to the PZAP with adequate evidence. -FER believes that these and many other violations, reported throughout Kosovo by this subject and other political entities, with the now unquestioned manipulations in the Drenas Skenderaj, substantially affect the outcome of these elections and make the election to be conclusively illegitimate," says the FER's response. / Telegraph /

James Michael DuPont (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

be WP:Bold and add it to the relevant section.

poll results

here is a copy of the offical results : http://www.prizrenliler.org/content/view/1040/1/

It has all the numbers, need to type them in. FER for example hat 15559 votes, 2.2%

20:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

i cant read it, but if you can then youre more than welcome to add in a table. Somethign like the party list already on but with columns for the results.you can also create a seperate template and then work that into this with transclusiosns.

we also need sources on the total seats given.

and then an expansion on the "analsys" section can go in. Why would the Serb list support the DPK i dont know?Lihaas (talk) 22:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

It is just a table of numbers, nothing to read much.

PDK - 238959 vota ose 33.5 % LDK - 168120 vota ose 23.6 % VETËVENDOSJE - 86924 vota ose 12.2 % AAK - 76859 vota ose 10.8 % AKR - 50720 vota ose 7.1 % LDD - 23337 vota ose 3.3 % FER - 15559 vota ose 2.2 %

http://www.rrokum.tv/?page=1,4,1640

James Michael DuPont (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Should we then remove the party list as its repetitive?(Lihaas (talk) 17:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)).

Organ smuggling allegations

Hi, I have been following this story closely. I would suggest that It be moved to another article for the simple reason that it is not exactly clear if any of these allegations are new, and what it has to do with the election. thanks, mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 11:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I think its relevant here was based on the same story that drew parallels "Its release comes as Thaci, a former key leader in the KLA, tries to form a coalition government after claiming victory in last week's election."(Lihaas (talk) 17:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)).

Look, I first tried to add the refs to the election article, because martys report was prereleased on the day of the election, that was removed because it was not NPOV. According to that logic, the connection between the election and the organ smuggling allegations is POV. there is no strong connection, everyone can have their own POV. if you want to add it back in, then first add in the fact about the date of the report release. or you can mention in this article that on the same day of the election that the report was released and point them over to the other article. But i think we should keep them separate unless there are strong reasons to connect them. 13:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense. Do you want to add that first and then continue with this.

i think you, as the initiator should add that and then ill copy edit adding the rest.

(more: >> Kosovo PM 'to sue' EU investigator )(Lihaas (talk) 17:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)).

Look , I did that already it was removed. I dont want to add anything here but hard facts. That is why I am editing this. it is a very very hot and sensitive issues. please understand. James Michael DuPont (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I was suggesting to add back your own addition that removed. (and it seems someone else ahs now added such info)(Lihaas (talk) 20:34, 26 December 2010 (UTC)).

telegrafi article

http://www.telegrafi.com/?id=2&a=11911

Chief State Prosecutor, Ismet Kabashi has engaged prosecutors from seven municipal prosecutors to Kosovo to deal with the collection of evidence in the elections of 12 December.

Initially, prosecutors will be collecting evidence of abuse in these elections, abuses that pushes the Central Election Commission decide to revote in three municipalities in Kosovo, following the recommendation that the Panel had made Election Complaints and Appeals, writes Koha Ditore.

Tests that have been on hand PZAP's judges, will now pass into the hands of prosecutors for criminal prosecution.

Meanwhile, according to newspaper sources, the total number of commissioners in the three municipalities where the revote is about a thousand.

"I have appointed a prosecutor in the State Prosecutor's Office will coordinate the work. I wanted the responsibility of all county prosecutors to monitor the municipal chief prosecutors and seek reports from them, while county prosecutors every day will report to the State Prosecutor, "said Chief Kabashi.

He is arguing for not launching an investigation so far that there may be investigations without providing evidence and materials from PZAP's. He has promised that after receiving them will be reviewed on a shortest term.

"We started collecting data, because the other part of the investigation phase. At this stage, prosecutors will provide everyone within the territorial jurisdiction of all complaints submitted and the CEC's PZAP "said Kabashi. / Telegraph /

Definitions :

• KQZ Komisionin Qendror të Zgjedhjeve Central Election Commission of Kosovo.
• PZAP Paneli Zgjedhor për Ankesa dhe Parashtresa Election Complaints Panel and Appeals

81.210.237.201 (talk) 12:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

see also

should we include a link to the belarus election going on in december? it bears relevance that the west criticised that and the russians supported it vs. this one.(Lihaas (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2010 (UTC)).

I think we should make article or section on russian involvement in former client states politics. btw i have started to upload relevant docs to wikisource http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mdupont James Michael DuPont (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not. I believe theres an article on american involvement somewhere so we could follow that outline.

Also can you give yur response tot he organ stuff above.(Lihaas (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2010 (UTC)).

ToDOS =

• http://www.emg.rs/en/news/serbia/142858.html

In the municipalities of Glogovac, Decani (western Kosovo) and Srbica, the elections will be repeated on January 9 on account of electoral frauds. Many political parties violated the election law even during the election campaign. For that reason, the Elections Complaints and Appeals Panel fined political parties EUR 330,000 in total.

• http://fashionstyletrendy.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-claims-for-elections-in-kosovo.html

Kosovo Democratic Turkish Party (KDTP), 20 seats reserved for ethnic communities in Kosovo, the Constitutional requirement that the Turkish political parties argued that the two seats in the fall KDTP'ye.

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