Talk:1961 Atlantic hurricane season

Major hurricanes

"Having 7 major hurricanes out of 8 hurricanes, this season holds the record for the highest proportion of major hurricanes. "

Hmm. perhaps not 1917 and 1919 have 1 or 2 major hurricanes and no cat 1 or 2 hurricanes so their proportion is 100%. crandles 13:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

"The season had 7 major hurricanes, the second highest number on record, despite having only 8 total hurricanes." This is what I've added in its place, which is better than listing a dubious and non-notable record. — jdorje (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Money question

Hi.

Why did Clara cause a damage of $408 Millions, but the total damage was $391,6 Millions?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.57.18.188 (talk • contribs) .

Good question and good catch. The reference for Carla is incorrect. I got the total of $391.6 million from the monthly weather review located here. I will fix Carla accordingly. Hurricanehink 19:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Strongest storm

I'm a proponent of listing just one storm as the strongest. For 1958, I cut Cleo (a nominal cat5) and kept only Helene (which had much lower pressure readings). However, for this 1961 season I see no criteria for choosing between strengths of Hattie or Carla. Both have incomplete pressure readings, but both have pressures from their peak intensities and Hattie's is lower. Carla's winds are higher, however. — jdorje (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I had the same problem with my hurricane archive. NOAA usually goes by pressure, so that's probably what we should go by, when reliable readings are available. -- §HurricaneERIC§^Damagesarchive 02:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

When reliable readings are available, we should always go by pressure. Of the seasons since 1950, the only debatable ones are 1958 and 1961 I think. — jdorje (talk) 04:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Anna, Betsy, and Debbie

I picked up Anna, Betsy, and Debbie for you on pictures. Hope you enjoy them. Jake52

Good job. Hurricanehink (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the archived reports in NHC's website also contain three radar images of Tropical Storm Six. I hesitate to pick these up because of the fact that they are archived. The only other storm picture in these archives is a gapped picture of Hurricane Dora. Jake52

Inline references

All that prevents this article from being B class, in my view, is the complete lack of inline references. Thegreatdr 16:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 14:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll review this now.

• Neat (and timely) opening sentence!! Might I suggesting using this source? Right now, it has the March 2011 as the date (for the season summary part where you properly ref it).

• Fixed. It also worked as a more up-to-date source for ACE.--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• " It was an average season" - this directly contradicts the opening sentence.

• Better?--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Eh, but later in the article it says the number of storms was above average, based on the 1950-2000 avg. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• "Debbie then brushed Ireland as a Category 1 hurricane shortly before becoming extratropical. " - that suggests it struck Ireland while tropical, which contradicts the main article

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• "resulting in a total of twelve deaths."

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• "It was an above average season in which eleven tropical depressions formed" - do you know that there were no TD's that weren't in HURDAT?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Does HURDAT really prove that the unnamed TS "initially went unnoticed"? I'd like more confirmation.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• But did it go unnoticed? Or was it treated as a TD? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• "Later that day, the final system, Tropical Storm Inga..." - this implies Inga formed on the 8th. Is that right?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• " Subtropical cyclones, such as the first storm, are excluded from the total" - Anna was subtropical?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Were there any subtropical storms though? If not, why mention? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• "on September 5, a shortwave forced the low northeastward" - the map suggests northwest track

• It isn't talking about Betsy. I believe the sentence is referring to this low: "Another low-pressure area later formed in the trough..."--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, why bother mentioning the other low? You should clarify that this allowed the ridge to rebuild. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• How close did Betsy pass near Bermuda?

• Not close enough :P --12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• " became a major hurricane after reaching Category 3 intensity" - but MH = C3, so that's redundant

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• How strong was Carla at landfall?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Why don't you include Carla's ET history? For that matter, ditto with Betsy, and probably other storms.
• Any Canada impact for Carla? What about Frances?

All in all, pretty good! Just clarify these few things and I'll be happy to pass. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Re-Analysis?

I have noticed the season summary map has the 2017 re-analysis tracks, but the individual storm maps do not. Why is this? I have noticed the same thing with the 1962 and 1963 seasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.9.204 (talk) 20:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

The tracks were preemptively updated with preliminary reanalysis results. I've gone ahead and reverted to the current HURDAT version. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Hattie replaced with Holly?

I noticed that the article for Carla states that the name was replaced with Carol in 1965. I know that Donna (1960) says it was replaced with Dora, so I assume that was the first name to be replaced directly, and from thereon as i mentioned Carla with Carol, Flora (1963) with Fern, Cleo (1964) with Candy, Dora (1964) with Dolly, Hilda (1964) with Hannah, and Betsy (1965) with Blanche. It doesn’t say if any name replaced Hattie but i do know the H name for 1965 was Holly so I was wondering if it would be accurate to say Hattie was replaced with Holly? I only ask because while the rest of the storms i mentioned have replacements named, I haven’t seen any sources which state they were directly replaced so I assume those are just assumptions made based on the rotating lists of the time. OWGNicholas (talk) 21:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah Since I’ve interacted with you before and you have more experience than me with this probably, would you say its accurate to state that Hattie was replaced with Holly for the 1965 season? OWGNicholas (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I went and updated 1960 through 1965 so far due to the fact that either the season articles or individual storm articles for Donna, Carla, Flora, Cleo, Dora, Hilda, and Betsy indicate names being retired and replaced, except for Hattie which i mentioned Holly as the replacement for the 1965 season. Basically i made the articles match since it was either the season article that mentioned it or the individual storm article.OWGNicholas (talk) 22:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Esther replaced with Elena

I know Esther wasn’t retired, but it was replaced with Elena for the 1965 season. Did they ever indicate as to why?OWGNicholas (talk) 19:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

You might find some documentation somewhere as to why they changed the name, but remember the naming was very informal at first.Jason Rees (talk) 00:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh i know it was informal, its only in 1960 they started using rotating lists. Since 1961 is the second of the original four they used, id assume there would be documentation somewhere as to why they replaced certain names without retiring them, but i wanted to ask if anyone here knew the reason why first.OWGNicholas (talk) 03:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)