Talk:1938 Atlantic hurricane season

Storm naming

This has come up before, but HURDAT does not assign a name for systems prior to 1950. The numbers are simple designations, never meant to be names, hence its name within HURDAT as NOT NAMED. It seems to make sense that if there is a common name for a system that it would trump a name like Hurricane Six, especially if reanalysis changes the numerical sequence every so often. Thegreatdr (talk) 07:00, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I think we should list both for the storms that have unofficial names here. If reanalysis changes the number, then we can too. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a good compromise. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Split

Seeing as we already have articles on the 1952 Groundhog Day tropical storm and the 1978 January subtropical storm, we should have an article on 1938 January hurricane, seeing as the established precedent indicates that forming this far outside the normal boundaries of the hurricane season makes a storm notable—if anything, it's more notable than the 1978 January subtropical storm, as, while neither affected land, the 1978 storm was only a subtropical storm, while the 1938 storm was not only fully tropical but also a hurricane, and still formed in January. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 01:50, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

This article would not meet WP:Notability. To be honest, the 1978 subtropical storm needs to be merged. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

There is not enough content for such article to exist. 1978 SS is borderline IMO due to lack of content, but I won't go as far as saying it "needs to be merged". YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 17:15, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Remember, other articles existing isn't a reason to make a new one. The ones you mentioned are more recent and have been part of the hurricane database for decades. In the case of the 1978 one, I created it because, at the time, it was a rare January storm. Although this too is a rare January storm, it has only known to have existed for a few months, and the discussion mentioning this hurricane also indicated a tropical storm in January 1951, which should be added relatively soon. Given that January storms are no longer as rare as they once were (and especially since we have a great article in List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes), I don't think this one should get an article. There is currently a merge discussion for the 1978 storm, but it has received little input. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:26, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion

1938 January hurricane was published by User:Whoop whoop pull up, but it's rather on the short side. I proposed it be merged with the season article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:24, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

...It doesn't even have a banner. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 22:57, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

That means not a whole lot of people knew it existed. It shouldn't be a controversial merge, but I want to respect the editing time User:Whoop whoop pull up put into creating the article. I think the content can be saved and put in the season article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:47, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I redirected the article once I realized that it was a copy and paste of the section in the season article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:57, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1938 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 13:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• "The 1938 Atlantic hurricane season featured the "Great New England Hurricane", regarded ..." seems like an odd way to start talking about the whole season, maybe say how many hurricanes there were, "including the "Great..."?
  • Done. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "The season officially began on June 16 and ended on November 15 in the Atlantic Ocean" makes it sound like it only ends in the Atlantic Ocean! Why not "The season, in the Atlantic Ocean, officially began..." or similar?
  • Reworded. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• Why the three refs in the lead? Presumably, per all good articles, nothing is in the lead that isn't mentioned and referenced in the main article?
  • I removed one, since I later added a section about the tropical depressions. Two remain, neither of which have any need to be repeated later in the article. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "$245,550" inflate.
  • Inflation with regard to hurricanes can get hairy, so as a general practice we stopped using inflation. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "$620 million" in 1938??
  • Yes. The hurricane was infamous. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "turned south and west" south then west? Or just southwest?
  • South then west. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• New England overlinked in the lead.
  • Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "alongside Hurricane Alex (2016)" surely "alongside Hurricane Alex in 2016"?
  • Yes. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Several cities set 24-hour" well the cities didn't set them, they saw them.
  • Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• Link Cozumel.
  • Linked. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Farther inland" Further or Farther?
  • Further. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Tropical Storm Five" section, "tropical wave" is overlinked.
  • Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "point is analyzed a few " instead of "is" maybe "has been"?
  • Agreed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "which was whose strength" probably remove "which was"
  • Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• " and in fact," colloquial commentary. This is an encyclopedia so one would hope everything stated was "in fact".
  • You're, in fact, right. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "cold front" is overlinked.
  • Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "breakwater" is a dab.
  • Looks like somebody else took care of this. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• " $5,000–$7,000" vs "$75,000–100,000" $ symbol placement, be consistent.
  • Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• "August 10, however. On August 18," grammar fail.
  • I think this was fine originally, but I changed it. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• " in Veracruz, Veracruz," try Veracruz city.
  • Changed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• Season effects:
  • "This is a table of ..." nope, we don't introduce articles with "This is an article" nor lists with "This is a list" so don't introduce tables with "This is a table"
    • Ok. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Dates e.g. "3 – 6" should be unspaced.
    • Unspaced. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • "the Bahamas" starts the note so "The Bahamas" is fine.
    • Ok. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Not strictly GA criteria but do the grim templates used in these tables comply with MOS:ACCESS for row and col scopes?
    • I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • You have a fully blank Refs column. Is this intentional? Remove the column if you're not intending to use it.
    • I added the refs. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
• Some spaced hyphens in the refs, should be en-dashes.
  • Fixed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

That's all I have for a quick pass. On hold. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

TropicalAnalystwx13 are you going to address these comments? Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:05, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Everything should be taken care of, The Rambling Man. Thank you for the review! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 18:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Cheers, will probably be tomorrow when I get back to this. All the best. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Good updates. One thing, there are three entries in that table now without any references which seems very strange. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

TropicalAnalystwx13 not sure if you saw this? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

The Rambling Man Yes I did, I just forgot to ping you! Sorry! TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 16:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Okeydokes, I'm happy now. I made the templates used on the summary table on this page MOS:ACCESS compliant which means they'll be accessible to screen readers. Everything else seems in order so I'm promoting. Cheers, good work. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)