Talk:1896 Summer Olympics medal table
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editA little patience maybe? I've only done this one out of the three because it's the only year I've completed going through the actual sports and nations pages. After I finish sailing and water polo, I'll be ready to fix the 1900 count. -- Jonel | Speak 19:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- And why should the page be different from the IOCs? It was exactly the same as olympic.org until you changed it. King nothing 2 07:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Because the IOC's is wrong, in some cases. For example, the IOC count gives Dionysios Kasdaglis's silver medal in singles tennis to Greece. But when Kasdaglis pairs with the Greek Demetrios Petrokokkinos to take a silver medal in doubles tennis, the IOC gives the medal to "Mixed Team". So Kasdaglis is both Greek and not-Greek at the same time. -- Jonel | Speak 03:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not too keen on what you guys are talking about, but the IOC is always right. I had a similar dispute here with another user because he/she, in essence, wanted to go back and fix the etymology mistake of the person who created the word. But you can't do that. If the IOC say the medals should be awarded a certain way, that's how it should be. You can't make up your own ways just because they may be morally, socially, or verbally correct. --J@red [T]/[+] 20:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Kasdaglis was from Egypt, as King nothing 2 knows. Even if you want to argue that his Greek heritage means his medal should be awarded to Greece, there is absolutely no logical reason for his singles medal to go to Greece and his doubles medal (with an undisputedly Greek partner) to go to Mixed Team. The IOC is not always right, and in this case has not even taken a clear position. -- Jonel | Speak 06:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not too keen on what you guys are talking about, but the IOC is always right. I had a similar dispute here with another user because he/she, in essence, wanted to go back and fix the etymology mistake of the person who created the word. But you can't do that. If the IOC say the medals should be awarded a certain way, that's how it should be. You can't make up your own ways just because they may be morally, socially, or verbally correct. --J@red [T]/[+] 20:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Because the IOC's is wrong, in some cases. For example, the IOC count gives Dionysios Kasdaglis's silver medal in singles tennis to Greece. But when Kasdaglis pairs with the Greek Demetrios Petrokokkinos to take a silver medal in doubles tennis, the IOC gives the medal to "Mixed Team". So Kasdaglis is both Greek and not-Greek at the same time. -- Jonel | Speak 03:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Treatment of Mixed Team medals
editJonel, I must say that I find this table awfully confusing. Having a negative medal count for Mixed Team (ZZX) just to make things add up is not very intuitive. I would even say that it might be considered original research, as I have never seen that kind of presentation of a medal table before. Am I correct in assuming you are attempting to get rid of all the Mixed Team results from early games by re-assigning medals to other countries? I think that's a bad precedent here. My preference would be to use the IOC results without modification, but use effective footnotes and/or explanatory text to describe situations such as the one you highlight. The first step would probably be to add a Mixed team at the 1896 Summer Olympics page, perhaps. Andrwsc 00:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, go for it. -- Jonel | Speak 03:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, please change it. King nothing 2 03:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Jonel, thanks for creating the Mixed Team page! I have updated the medal table here and on the main page. Andrwsc 00:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, thought I'd done that for the main page one at least... oops. Anyway, thanks. -- Jonel | Speak 01:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Whos the real first olympian winner
editIn US olympic article and the athlete article is says "Thomas Burke was the first Olympian in history to win a gold medal.", while in this article and in James Brendan Connolly it says "Connolly was the first modern Olympic champion.".
So who was the first winner, and isn't Burke the first modern champion?, which is the first winner?
– HonorTheKing (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Revision of IOC 1896 Olympics medal table that was made in July 2021
editIOC modified data at Olympics.com after accepting the recommendation of Olympic historian Bill Mallon and transfer of information from Olympedia.org (the Olympic historians association website) to Olympics.com (the IOC website).
- Swimming. Men's 1200m freestyle event. The IOC no longer recognized bronze medal of Efstathios Chorafas of Greece.
- Fencing. Men's foil individual event. One more bronze medal attributed to Athanasios Vouros of Greece.
- Tennis. Men's doubles event. The silver medal for Mixed team won by Dionysios Kasdaglis and Demetrios Petrokokkinos is now attributed to Greece.
Thus, a change in the overall results of countries:
- Greece: gain of 1 silver
- Mixed team: loss of 1 silver
About all revisions of IOC medal tables that were made in July 2021, see also: