Draft talk:Tammie Jo Shults

Temporary redirect

Is it worth creating a temporary redirect to the incident page with a link to this draft until the draft is converted? Bohbye (talk) 18:52, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Update - Looks like a redirect was created Bohbye (talk) 19:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Ping me when you are done constructing the article and I can do a round-robin move to article space. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:31, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

-@Bri: article Tammie Jo Shults was created by someone else and seems to have much more data as the draft. However it was already placed into AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tammie Jo Bonnell. I absolutely disagree with this AfD and I voted overthere. Bohbye (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

WSJ Sources

The articles are not free (behind a paywall) so sources cannot be verified. please don't use them as a source and use alternative options. Bohbye (talk) 00:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Can't use sources behind a paywall, really? Since when? Every American major newspapers are behind a paywall these days. --Deansfa (talk) 00:23, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Sources can be paywalled. In fact they don't even have to be online. This is a common misconception; see WP:PAYWALL. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:22, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Alright, taking back my comment. Thanks for clarifying the policy.Bohbye (talk) 02:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

age wrong

1961/1962 means 55-57 not 56-57. in fact, given that it's only april right now, someone born in 1962 is MORE LIKELY 55 than 56.

i tried to tweak it, but it's autogenerated from the dates somehow, and, well...i don't quite know how. someone more capable pls correct it! 198.147.225.21 (talk) 01:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the age is computed (using a complex template) based on what a source said, "Age 56" but that was on 4/18 and now it's 4/19 so she could be one year older now. We don't know without knowing the day of birth. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

may be "complex", but it is WRONG. not only is 55 a *possibility*, but it is, as i said, MORE LIKELY here.

if the algorithm cannot properly produce "55-57" from the dates given, it should at least be offering up "55-56" instead of "56-57". latter not likely until the year's midpoint (2 july).

any way to override? and -- where does one petition to have the algorithm itself corrected? 198.147.225.21 (talk) 04:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

You should probably post concerns at WP:Village pump (technical) as date errors would affect many templates and articles using them. ☆ Bri (talk)

Notability

IMO, the pilot comes under WP:BIO1E and does not warrant a standalone article. I would propose a redirect to the accident article if this ever comes to mainspace. WWGB (talk) 02:35, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

She may have been noticed for this event but she is certainly notable for the other achievements in the article, especially those relating to military history.--Ipigott (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

This bio falls nicely into our focus on military history. It should be an article in its own right.--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

The article is still in development, still in draft space, and being worked as a team effort. It is not productive, nor in the best interests of Wikipedia itself, to negate something as non-notable even before all the sources have been gathered. How can anyone say this is non-notable if they don't even have all the facts? When we really get down to it, why do you know who Charles Lindbergh was? - for a one-time trip across the Atlantic. And they gave him a parade. Let this draft proceed. — Maile (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• @Ipigott and Maile66: Please note that the topic is under discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tammie Jo Bonnell. I didn't know about this draft and so started a separate page in mainspace. That version is well-advanced as I was thinking of doing a DYK double with the new article about the recent incident. I mainly need to get some QPQs done now but I suppose that there's still more to find about the subject. Her year of birth, for example, seems tricky to pin down. Some sources talk of a press-release from the US Navy, giving details of her service record but I've not found the original of that yet. Andrew D. (talk) 13:12, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Nice canvassing! WWGB (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Andrew Davidson Thank you for the information. — Maile (talk) 13:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Mainspace article

There is now an article there. I don't think it is missing much of anything that this draft article has, but if so that information should be merged in there now.Phil (talk) 15:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe we should request a history merge? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• WP:Parallel versions explains that "If the two pages have separate origins and simultaneous separate parallel histories before they were text-merged, they should not be history-merged, as that would shuffle the parallel editing histories together in one list and make a mess." IMO, it's best to avoid draft space and sandboxes because it's too easy for topics to get forked like this. Andrew D. (talk) 17:33, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
• Don't know if it is possible to delete the draft to avoid duplicate editing efforts. Bohbye (talk) 20:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I think this needs to be preserved for attribution. Would there be objection to making it a workpage under the article? ☆ Bri (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

If the draft is a redirect (which it now is) I think that is also OK, unless somebody wants to create a new draft in the future in which case they will still have to move this. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)