Draft talk:Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse

Animation has clearly begun

According to Variety [1], producer Christopher Miller has stated that "Nothing has been scrapped. The reels are coming along nicely." If reels are coming along nicely then animation is clearly under way, and this draft should be moved to mainspace. Rlendog (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Miller did not specify what types of reels those are, and we know they have been working on some concept and visual art, per sources already in this article. To say final animation has begun (which is the requirement to move animated films, alongside voice recording per WP:NFF) would be WP:SYNTHESIS, and of course someone involved in a film would quell any concerns about it and give a positive statement about it. There is, again, WP:NORUSH to move this draft to the mainspace. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

if Btsv releases in 2027, does that mean the sony and disney+ deal will not count that film to be part of the deal?

beyond the spiderverse might not make its theatrical run since the deal for theatrical sony releases are from 2022-2026 70.48.81.250 (talk) 23:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

We don't have a source disputing that the Disney+ would not apply to this film, although without a new release date, any discussion of this would be speculation and WP:TOOSOON to determine. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

but with mcu spiderman 4 with tom holland in july 2026, maybe jeff sneider claimed the sources were true all along last month, and you didnt add in the updates of shamiek moore, brian tyree henry from the madame web interview and godzilla vs kong new empire interview in the production side of the wiki page at all i want the sony and disney+ deal to last longer if the theatrical sony releases in the usa are only from 2022-26 others say its 2022 onwards, beyond the spiderverse needs to be in that deal too its not fair to have the sony and disney+ and netflix deal end after 2026 70.48.81.250 (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The film has no release date currently. Until a new date is actually given, we cannot assume what could happen with that streaming deal, as that would be WP:Original research. The studios could extend that deal, another third-party could get the rights, or something else entirely could happen. Truth is, we don't know until it gets a new release and the deal is clarified. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

i wish sony made the disney+ deal longer not until the end of 2026 since we still have no into the spiderverse, venom 2 and no way home not on disney+ in the US 70.48.81.250 (talk) 22:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

can someone else add in the other cast members already?

just add in shamiek moore, hailee steinfeld, etc 70.48.81.250 (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources that confirm they are returning for this film? Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

yea the one with brian tyree henry and shamiek moore at the premiere for madame web and godzilla vs kong new empire https://screenrant.com/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-epic-brian-tyree-henry/ https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-miles-future-arc/ 70.48.81.250 (talk) 02:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

In that interview, Henry only says "It's in the works, it's coming. That one...it's even more epic than the last...Get your hankies ready, it's going to go there. That does not directly confirm he is returning as his character. As for Moore, all he said was "Action...you can expect Miles and Gwen. You can expect everything. [Laughs] You're expecting the continuation from the second one. You can expect to see The Spot; you can expect some action-packed energy and some dilemmas and problems to solve." That is just ambiguous wording and also does not confirm his return definitively unless he actually said it in a video of the interview, ditto on Henry. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:33, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I took another pass at sources and found this article where Moore specifically says "I'm in it" in correlation to this film. This brief mention was strangely absent from the other sources you linked, which just traced to the same Screen Rant interview whereas this source traces to a Variety video interview. I have added this into the draft now. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

But what about Brian Tyree Henry during the red carpet of Godzilla vs Kong New Empire? And when the movie sinners starring Hailee Steinfeld comes out in 2025 also during the red carpet premiere, she need to mention if she is also reprising her role in beyond the SpiderVerse 2605:B100:51C:CD68:CCB0:5797:4FCB:4889 (talk) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Henry's comments did not explicitly confirm his involvement, so it can't be added as fact. Steinfeld has not mentioned her return and if she does, it will be added. There is WP:NORUSH to add anything and nothing wrong with waiting for the adequate sources to become available. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

he needs to return too 70.48.81.250 (talk) 02:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

That may be your opinion, although there are no reliable sources which confirm his return, thus it cannot be added unless a source verifies such. This is also WP:NOTAFORUM for sharing your thoughts on what should happen with a film, so please keep discussions about the content in the article itself. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Should anyone else adding another scam rumor about the script being scrapped?

https://movieweb.com/sony-scrapped-beyond-the-spider-verse-and-rewrote-script/#threads 2605:B100:509:4F62:D454:EE91:3427:C32C (talk) 18:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Can this plz be added https://movieweb.com/sony-scrapped-beyond-the-spider-verse-and-rewrote-script/#threads, those are always scammers 205.172.121.203 (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I saw this from Brandon Davis who is an unreliable clickbaiter should this be part of the article? https://movieweb.com/sony-scrapped-beyond-the-spider-verse-and-rewrote-script/#threads 2605:B100:509:4F62:D454:EE91:3427:C32C (talk) 22:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Davis is a former writer for ComicBook.com so he would be considered a WP:Subject-matter expert and as such, is a reliable source. Since Davis is reaffirming what has previously been reported on by Vulture and most recently by Sneider, I find it hard to believe that three different, individual sources could be wrong or unreliable about something. If something happens more than once, it may be more of a hidden truth than an alleged "clickbait" or "scam rumor". Considering Davis' report adds some more details and clarity to the reports from Vulture and Sneider, I see no reason why it should not be added into the article. I have often seen many come to their own conclusions and misconceptions about how these types of animated films are made, especially one with this much effort and anticipation. These films take years to work on, and these sources have all explained why there have been delays. Even if some choose to ignore those facts, they will be adequately reflected in the article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

But will Chris miller ever debunk those rumors once again 70.48.80.41 (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't know, and this page is WP:NOTAFORUM for such questions. We go by what all of the sources state, and Miller's denial was cagey with the wording and semantics at best. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

What about this new update https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-update-jharrel-jerome/ and https://screenrant.com/spider-man-beyond-verse-star-update-jharrel-jerome/ 69.159.140.126 (talk) 20:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I have added in a brief mention of the report from Brandon Davis. As for Jharrel Jerome's comments, it does not appear to be anything worth noting and is more of a non-update because we haven't known when voice recording would begin and actors can record their lines at different times, locations, etc. I believe there will be a new report from some journalists, either from Sneider based on his tweet alluding to something related to Spider-Verse. We'll see if Deadline or another trade bites on that fish hook or if anything eventuates from that. Trailblazer101 (talk) 07:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

On the possibility of submission to articlespace

Hey. By December 2023, BTSV had resumed production, and throughout the year we have gotten various updates about the film from the cast/crew. All of those updates signify that BTSV is knee-deep in production. Further proof of that is the film having it's own page on Sony Pictures Animation's website, just like other upcoming SPA films like K-Pop Demon Hunters, Fixed, and Goat.

I think it's about time for this draft to be submitted into articlespace. Thoughts? Ele3ctricBloom$ (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:NFF, "In the case of animated films, reliable sources must confirm that the film is clearly out of the pre-production process, meaning that the final animation frames are actively being drawn or rendered, and final recordings of voice-overs and music have commenced" (bolded emphasis). None of the highly-publicized reports about this film have shown any indication that this is in the final animation stages, and voice recording has yet to begin from what we presently know. It may be awhile before this article gets moved to the mainspace, though there is WP:NORUSH to do so and most of the "updates" have been minimal at best and minute at most. Also, having a webpage bodes little merit to notability on this encyclopedia. Just because other films have articles does not mean this one is ready yet. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Why are you adding in 2027? Screenrant says 2026 is likely,

The 2027 release from Jeff Sneider is denied, this needs to be taken off, right now https://screenrant.com/spider-man-beyond-verse-update-4-mcu-2-movies-2026/ “and Miller and Pemberton have confirmed that the 2027 report is not true.”

“A 2026 release date for Beyond the Spider-Verse seems the most likely as it seems like most things are beginning to be put in the works, and Sony will have all of next year to perfect it. Though Spider-Man and the Spider-Versetrilogy are done by two different companies, Marvel still won’t want to overlap the release dates of the two projects. With Spider-Man 4 taking the summer blockbuster spot, it’s likely that Beyond the Spider-Verse will be scheduled around the winter holiday season. Into the Spider-Verse was released in December 2018, and it performed incredibly well, so Sony may schedule for December once again, especially because it would optimize the time that production would get to work on the film. It may seem like releasing two Spider-Man projects in the same year would be a bad idea, but I think it will work out in favor of both franchises. It would admittedly be a lot of Spider-Man content for one year, but he is a hero that fans never get sick of. It’s also extremely helpful that both franchises focus on a different version of Spider-Man, with one following Peter Parker and the other Miles Morales. The two projects have almost no overlap with each other in terms of characters, and even in the artistic medium that they’re presented in.”

“As long as the two films are scheduled far enough apart from each other, the double feature may help to draw up excitement with both fans and more casual viewers. Fans will undoubtedly crave more Spider-Man content if Spider-Man 4 is well-received, and Beyond the Spider-Verse releasing a few months later would capitalize off of their anticipation. Having back-to-back Spider-Man releases in 2026 could make it a stellar year for the hero, and I’m really hoping that Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse is on the right track for that.” 69.159.140.126 (talk) 22:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Screen Rant is only speculating based on what others have said about that report, so that cannot really be used to affirm that is truly expected and veers into WP:SYNTHESIS territory. Also, Miller and Pemberton really only said that "nothing was scrapped" in relation to that report, which noted Sony was unlikely to schedule this film for 2026 because it already has the next Tom Holland Spidey film scheduled for that year, and the Screen Rant author's own opinion does not confirm otherwise, but rather contradicts it and is not an actual report. WP:Verifiability, not truth also applies in this situation because no new release date has been set for this film yet, so we only know potential expected release years. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

We're also not going to remove information just because an involved party who has a stake to claim in a commercial product denied a high-profile report. That is especially where VNT comes into play. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

But I swear to god, if Sony at cinemacon 2025 makes BTSV release in 2027, we’re doomed, I want it at the end of 2026 and Sony should literally be thinking about extending/renewing their streaming service contract with Netflix and Disney+ but this time, includes all upcoming Sony animated films since SPA did in 2014 but with Disney+ like how universal extended their Netflix deal for live action films in 2027 to start off with, Sonys 2022-26 theatrical release slated is a bit too short and it should not be multi year and it should be long term 69.159.140.126 (talk) 23:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Your opinion is not relevant here and, also, not helpful. These types of comments are getting very off-topic and violate our site's WP:NOTAFORUM policy (which is noted at the top of this page). Please refrain from using WP:Original research or inserting your own personal opinions into discussions and edits, and I encourage you to WP:DROPTHESTICK and move on. When a release date is officially scheduled, we will know. Until then, we include everything that is reliably reported on, even if you don't like it, because that's how reporting on the facts works. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)