Category talk:China

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There seems to be an article listed as [[Ŧ�]] - but not surprisingly the link is broken. --Henrygb 3 July 2005 11:40 (UTC)

what/where?

what should go in to this category versus what should go into Category:People's Republic of China? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmains (talk • contribs) 04:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This category needs to be cleaned up, the PROC categories should be moved under PROC, or under the approriate China category, and also the Taiwan categories. 70.55.84.13 (talk) 13:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup is needed, but where is the plan. Right now, one editor changes the organization one way and another changes it another way--all with no WP agreed upon direction Hmains (talk) 18:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

RfC: Is a full category structure needed under Category:China?

Category:China contains categories for People's Republic of China (PRC) and Republic of China (ROC, Taiwan). Its society-related sub-cats such as Category:Chinese law include relevant sub-cats for PRC and ROC, and articles/categories that cover both or predate the split. Hong Kong and Macau categories are often placed under PRC.

Many editors find the categories counter-intuitive, or objectionable to their POV. As a result the structure gets broken as people remove e.g. a Taiwan category from the corresponding "China" head category.

This recently came up at CFD with the deletion of Category:Companies of China, followed by this DRV which recommended an RFC.

I propose that (i) there should be a full category structure under Category:China as a head category for all subjects where PRC or ROC have specific categories; (ii) that categories for HK and Macau should be under PRC; and (iii) a short category explanation template should be incorporated on each "China" category page explaining this structure. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I find the proposal reasonable and useful for current (i.e. post 1949) born people and concepts, because it will help distinguish properly PRC from ROC related topics. However many encyclopaedic articles that will relate to BLPs of people or places existing prior to the creation of PRC should be tagged "China" too because PRC did not exist before then. In general, unless something or someone relates exclusively to PRC or ROC, I would use both categories. The categories will help readers retrieve similar concepts/people in their corresponding articles: let's use them for that purpose. Divide et Impera (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

• Comment This seems a reasonable system. I would point out that it is more like a post-1949 death grouping for people, although maybe a few who lived past 1949 did all their notable actions pre-1949 in a way that there is no need to connect them with anything other than China. I believe we do have Category:Qing Dynasty writers which makes it clear that we can use Chinese as a general category to link multiple distinct but unique nationality cats. The probelm is what to do with those between 1912 and 1949. However this would only be those who lived entirely during those years/left China after 1912 but before 1949/did most of their significant contributions in their field during that time frame. China is sadly not the only country which at times suffers from inprecision in identifying people with a specific country even though they died before that specific country ever came into existence. Probably the worst offender along these lines is Pakistan, if for no other reason than that it is one of the few countries that can be said to have come into existence at a specific time and not have existed before. The indepdent countries that made up what used to be the Soviet Union all eisted as constitutent Republics in the Soviet Union, and some existed before incorporation into the Soviet Union with their modern boundaries, so identifying people with them is a much more complexed issue than Pakistan. China has the fun fact of the ROC and PRC both existing as actual governments during World War II, so the modern Mainland/Taiwan split can be seen as dating back before 1949 (although Taiwan as a location has its own complexed history of being under Japanese control until 1945).John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)