Category talk:Anti-Catholicism in the United States

People articles

This category contains quite a number of person article, even if the text says "It must not include articles about individuals, groups or media that are allegedly anti-catholic. Repeat: articles about individuals, groups, or media must not be placed in this category". Remove them all? --MF-W 02:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. That was the consensus at CFD a while back. People who have fought AGAINST anti-catholicism could remain, but people who are labelled as "anti-catholic" should be removed (same for anti-semite, sexist, racist, homophobic, etc).--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I've started to remove it from some of the articles. --MF-W 03:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, I don't know about removing this from long dead people who are mostly notable for their anti-Catholic POV, e.g. John Dowling (pastor). (Technically, I never did find an obit for him, but the last report on his health dates to 1873.) Besides him, there are probably plenty of Know Nothings to whom it would be perfectly fair to apply this cat. -- Kendrick7^talk 21:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

^^ C'mon people, I posted the above within 48 hours of the initial attempt to depopulate this category. Some admin's opinion from a 2 year old CFD does not create a new policy here. The idea that a category on anti-Catholicism should only contain people or groups that are actually pro-Catholicism is absurd on its face. I do not consent. I have alerted the relevant project to this bizarre scheme. Again, if you think this category should be deleted, take it to WP:CFD. -- Kendrick7^talk 13:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

That was a broad-based community consensus. It is you who needs to find consensus to overturn that previous one. Since you've been reverted twice now, that should make it clear that you don't have consensus to remove this. While no-one is disputing whether anti-catholics (or anti-semites, or homophobes, or racists, or sexists) exist, it was decided to not use the category system to classify such people accordingly.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

See, here is the problem. You are equating intellectual disputes over theology to hating people because of the color of their skin or of their sexual orientation or of their ethnicity (e.g. anti-Semitism). Being opposed to a theological idea is fair game. Most living people theologically opposed to Catholicism are happy to wear their beliefs -- such as, for example, that the Pope is the Anti-Christ -- on their sleeves. You are trying to solve a problem that no one, either pro- or anti-Catholic, actually has. A half dozen commentators on a two year old CFD doesn't create a "broad-based community consensus" -- especially given that everyone at the time just laughed it off as ridiculous. Per WP:CCC, I object. -- Kendrick7^talk 02:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think all of those one might put in this category would agree with the description anti-catholic. I suppose if, in their own materials, they directly identify as such, they could be added. Otherwise, I suggest you put together a neutrally worded RFC on the broader issue of anti-x and see if consensus has changed, no need to 'object' counsel, this is not a court of law, we know you disagree.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 03:04, 12 December 2013 (UTC)