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Category:Germany articles needing images largely redundant to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Germany?

It seems wasteful and higher maintenance to have these two categories largely duplicating each other. The latter is more consistent with hundreds of other similar categories for countries and regions, so I suggest that the former should be merged into the latter - this would require a change in {{WikiProject Germany}} but not a massive amount of work. I'm tentatively proposing they should be merged at WP:CFD; I suppose an argument can be made for making a distinction on the grounds of the name of the former category having a wider scope than the latter (to include biographies etc; also the former says "images" but in practice it appears in almost all cases this just means "photographs") but I am sure that just using the latter category for the lot won't be too confusing. In any case, both categories are rather large and should probably be subcategorized - I wonder if this can be done by editing {{WikiProject Germany}} so that instead of just saying that a photo is required, a photo subcategory could be specified in some way (e.g. writing "in Berlin" as a template parameter and the template then adding it to a Berlin photo required subcategory). That's just a suggestion - the CFD nom is here. This is in no way an act of aggression against this project :p Just wondering if this would cut down maintenance and make the categories easier to use. TheGrappler 20:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Depends on how much work it is. Anyway I made the infobox generated a subcategory of the other some time back. If that change is coming it would be an idea to tag the articles in the topcategory for the wikiproject as I believe there are qutie a number still in there which are not tagged yet. Agathoclea 15:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 17#Category:Germany articles needing images. I have relisted the 1 November discussion to allow more time for the details to be worked out. When an agreement is reached, please note it at the CFD, so that it may be properly closed. Thank you, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 05:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The second CfD is now overdue for closure, but there is no consensus on what to do. Please could some interested editors try to agree a solution at Template talk:WikiProject Germany#CfD_affecting_this_template, so that this can be wrapped up? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hesse-Rotenberg

Can't seem to find any mention of Hesse-Rotenberg, or of a Duke Hermann of Hesse-Rotenberg. I need to verify is a historical person, at the least. Thanks // FrankB 02:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Mention of a Landgrave of Hesse-Rotenberg (and his English wife) at the University of Sheffield-Hallam and the University of Nebraska. --Boson 07:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Landkreis Aue-Schwarzenberg

I have been busying myself translating articles about every municipality in this district into English from the German Wikipedia, but there is one little technical problem that I would like some help with. Whoever uploaded the images for de:WP apparently neglected to upload them to the Commons. Could someone do that, or otherwise make them appear in en:WP?

I would do this myself, but I'm working through a proxy from China and it can be glacially slow, and moreover, it sometimes won't let me download images if the file is too big.

Thanks. Kelisi 14:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

could you place the filenames of the images in question here in the form of de:Bild:imagename.jpg. Agathoclea 19:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Censorship in the Federal Republic of Germany

I have nominated Censorship in the Federal Republic of Germany for peer review (linked). I would really appreciate comments and/or collaboration from anyone in this WikiProject.

Thanks! - Revolving Bugbear (formerly Che Nuevara) 16:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Article requests

Whenever you see an important red link for a Germany-related article, don't forget to enter it in Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Article requests. Thank you, Kusma (talk) 09:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

and don't forget to remove those who are done (blue links). Wschroedter 13:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Karl Dönitz FAR

Karl Dönitz has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Peter Andersen 22:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Anne Frank FAR

Anne Frank has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --RelHistBuff 16:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Battle_of_Hulluch move requested

A request has been made to rename article "Battle_of_Hulluch" to "Gas attack at Hulluch". (Discuss) — RJH (talk) 14:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Mann needs additional cites

Thomas Mann is in need of additional cites. -- 201.53.4.206 19:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles categorising Turks in Germany

The following was placed in Category:Germany articles requiring maintenance. Comments? Suggestions? - 52 Pickup (talk) 16:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure how to report that correctly, but there is a Category:Turks_in_Germany and an article Turks in Germany and a List of Turkish Germans which could be merged together in a way. Why are all articles that contain a "List of Turkish People in..." in the Category:Articles_for_deletion. There is no article with the Kategorie:Deutsch-Türke in the german wikipedia, most of the articles categorize them as german or turkish or both. For example is Fatih Akin, a german with turkish roots because he was born in Germany and is a german citizen. Maybe better tag someone like him with Category:German and Category:People of turkish descent. And maybe with Turks in Germany. What do you think? (JohnWulgaru 00:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC))

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I would say that some similar subjects have been discussed at CfD recently, but I can't remember the outcome. There are now quite a number of German politicians/musicians of Turkish nationality/decent which in my opinion would make sense. Agathoclea (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I have now removed the link between the categories as that was not right. Anyway a CfD would be a good idea. Agathoclea (talk) 09:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Opinion please-which name for Bohemian and German queen and empress Anna von Schweidnitz?

A specific group of people on wikipedia dictated translation and usage of nearly all central/eastern European names in Polish language. Anne of Swidnica is just one of many, where a German Holy Roman Empire queen http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Anne_of_%C5%9Awidnica#Empress_Anna_von_Schweidnitz is featured in Wikipedia with a Polish name.

The particular Wikipedia absurdity with this person is, that google books has over 600 books with Anna von Schweidnitz, 300 Anne of Schweidnitz, yet Wikipedia shows her as Anne of Swidnica, which has 1 -o n e- entry on google book search. Wondering 18 November 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.206.167 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 19 November 2007

PS it does not even work with regular English letters Anne of Swidnica, but only with Anne of Świdnica — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.206.167 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 19 November 2007

We all like English letters like ü, ä, ß, etc., but not Polish ones, right? Space Cadet (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Swidnica should work, we need a redirect.

The proper English name does not have diacritics: Anne of Schweidnitz. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       05:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

That is probably the "correct" name according to our naming conventions. However, the implicit assumption of bad faith against our Polish contributors in the statement opening this section was quite unnecessary, and Anne of Świdnica appears to be a possible name for her, chosen by the original author who does not seem to be involved in any sort of Polish conspiracy. FWIW, I created the missing redirects Anne of Swidnica and Anna Svídnická. Oh, and we should use Polish diacritics wherever necessary, just as we should use the ß whenever necessary. Kusma (talk) 09:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

We observed a strong movement towards Polish naming some decades ago (within the detente context?) like when the Ministers of Culture "agreed" to use endonyms for former German cities (Breslau becoming Wroclaw etc, in German atlasses). Wonderful for today but confusing if used in historic(al?) context. A Kopernikus worked in Thorn, no Koppernik in Torun, sorry. Wschroedter 19:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Category:Germany articles needing images

Per this CFD discussion, Category:Germany articles needing images and Category:Germany articles needing maps were merged to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Germany and Category:Wikipedia requested maps in Germany, respectively. However, interested editors are encouraged to investigate the possibility and utility of alternate categorisation schemes, such as proposed at Template talk:WikiProject Germany#CfD affecting this template. – Black Falcon ^(Talk) 20:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up needed!

Hi All, great work, this Germay project & portal!

When I encountered it, I immediately wantd to cooperate (even if I heve only little time to spend on it). But then I was beginning to be disappointed. I met an article out of my hobbies, requested for translation (DELAG) the translation of which was completed one year ago! Then the unreferenced articles - they are referenced a lot. (Or did I misunderstand in what way they should be referenced?) Then the requested articles page - so many blue links!

I think you haven't got enough time (any more) for the whole project (I know how it comes to this situation, I know too well...) so I think either you (we) clean up the requests or we delete (or temporarily remove) the pages which are old and unmaintained.

What d'you think? Wschroedter 14:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The requests page is very difficult to keep interesting. Unfortunately I can't devote enough of my time to Wikipedia at present, so I just hope somebody comes, sees work that needs doing and does it (after all, this is how I became involved in the Germany portal). If you see something that needs to be cleaned up and you can do it, just be bold and do it; when others see that something new is done, they will come and help. Kusma (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Nordallianz

Grüße! Can I bring this article Nordallianz, spotted while reviewing new pages, to your attention please? I have no idea as to the notability of the subject. Regards. --Malcolmxl5 17:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

My 2 Eurocents: The article is poorly translated (obviously); the article is not very NPOV; the article is not clear e.g. about the economic strength: Higest in Germany, but compared to what?? I'd say, not a Page of Honor (Ruhmesblatt*)). -- Wschroedter 18:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

*) Most astonishingly, there is no article about this popular saying -- Wschroedter 18:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I've just jumped in and rewritten the article. ３２４７ (talk) 22:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Triple Crown

For those who don't already know, Durova (talk · contribs) is offering a special WikiProject triple crown (a variant of the original triple crown) as part of a major improvement drive:

"To qualify, the WikiProject must have five or more members who qualify for a standard triple crown on the basis of editing work for that project."

That basically means we need five people who each have at least 1 GA, 1 FC, and 1 DYK to come forward.

So far, only one project has scored the triple crown: WikiProject Australia. So does this project have enough top contributors to qualitfy? - 52 Pickup 08:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a GA. Is a FP, a FA plus 7 DYKs enough to qualify? Looking at User:Kusma/Contributions, I see that my last real mainspace addition has been almost a year ago, so I am certainly not a "top contributor" at the moment, but whatever. Kusma (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually the standard for inclusion is 10 citations to a GA. So one or two GA drives might put several people from this project over the top. :) Best wishes, Durova^Charge! 02:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Knut (polar bear) promoted to FA

Hello, I'm not part of the WikiProject, but I did notice that the project's template is on Knut (polar bear)'s talk page; I just wanted to alert those of you who wish to know that the article was recently promoted to FA status. I thought it should be added to the growing list of Germany-related FAs on the project's mainpage, but I wasn't sure what category it would fit into. :) Take care, María (habla conmigo) 20:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the note! Kusma (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Berlin Olympics 1936

I noticed some istake or unclear statistics in the Wiki page of that subject germany not USA acheived the highest number of Gold Medal according to Olympics Official organization Howeverthe Wikipage must be clear to show the results as team and individual here is the link [1]

for example I found Germany had

Germany Great Britain USA Sweeden CZECHOSLOVAKIA Italy France Other Countries Total
Gold 16 3 4 1 2 4 2 7 39

Silver 7 3 3 2 1 5 2 16 39

Bronze 5 1 1 3 0 0 0 29 39

Total 28 7 8 6 3 9 4 52 117

this is the Olympics games as teams. --Hiens (talk) 11:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Assessment

Some request of assesment are unattended for over six months! They could do with some attention.--Gabriel-Royce (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Problems with articles by non-native English speakers

have just read an article from your project and followed the links to here. it was obvious that the article in english was written by a german speaker, translating from his native language. many sentences were difficult to understand, some unintelligable. could your project not recruit someone to check the english of these entries.Daiyounger (talk) 00:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

If you name the articles, someone can have a look at them. I usually check additions to articles that are on my watchlist and I expect others do the same, but unfortunately, it is not possible to check every article. The first step is the project tag; so that we know the article is there at all and you know who you can contact. --Boson (talk) 01:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Folklore

I created Category:German folklorists as a subcategory of Category:Folklorists. Are there enough English articles to warrant the creation of Category:German folklore as a subcategory of Category:Folklore by country? Olessi (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Input sought

Input would be appreciated at a few different discussions. At Talk:East Prussia, I have started a discussion on how we should diffentiate between East Prussia, Province of East Prussia, and Province of Prussia. At Talk:Kaliningrad, I have posited separating that article into Kaliningrad and Königsberg. I have done the same at Talk:Immanuel Kant State University of Russia regarding a split between Immanuel Kant State University of Russia and the University of Königsberg. Thank you for your time. Olessi (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

German Road Guru template spelling mistakes

Is it "clam" or should it be "claim"? "Fahrren" should read "Fahren", I suppose, and "Schrieben" should be changed to "Schreiben." Furthermore, I have the slight feeling that the English sentence is ungrammatical. Any comments? Ekki01 (talk) 11:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I copied the remarks above to the template's discussion page. Ekki01 (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Another SORRY! :( Spelling has never been good for me I though this Firefox Spell check thing worked well (And Even has A German Function). But I guess it did not work as well as I thought it did. MKLPTR (talk) 08:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Germany Road Transportation

The functionality of this template should be merged into {{WikiProject Germany}}. Anyone up to the task? Kusma (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Since the template is protected, I've made the changes over at the /test page. If you copy that code completely over to the template page then it should work. The replacement code for the transportation template will be {{WikiProject Germany|Transport=yes}} - 52 Pickup (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe it should be set to "Road=yes"? The objectives of the group appear a little contradictory at the moment, since its page says that the project deals with all transportation types AND just the road system. So which is it? This needs to be clarified, and the subproject page renamed if necessary. - 52 Pickup (talk) 18:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I've just modified the test template further so at the moment it contains two possibilities: "Roads=yes" or "Transport=yes". When the objectives of this new group are clarified, then the unused option can be deleted, the relevant categories created, and then an admin can change the banner. - 52 Pickup (talk) 16:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm Docu has not edited in quite a while and the other participant seems to be the one who recently found the taskforce and made the changes that have caused the problems - I'd be tempted to send it to MfD as an inactive project and save the whole bother. Agathoclea (talk) 16:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

SORRY! :(.. All I wanted to do was make a cool box thing for German road talk pages and eventually track status on my Division/Task Force pages. That was all I could think of to make one that looked cool. Sorry if it caused problems. I did not think it did more than put a pretty picture on a talk page. I some one could please tell me the CORRECT way to build a template that would be greatly appreciated :) My purpose here is to build and maintain a substantial article base on the German road ways on English Wikipedia as I am an English Speaker and have driven Almost Everywhere in Germany and that combination is rare. Once Again Sorry :( MKLPTR (talk) 08:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

For starters you can help by clearly defining the scope of your taskforce and then get a force together. A one man band is not much of a force. You might want to join WikiProject Highways which will give you ideas and help on how to develop road related articles. And please place a {{tl:db-owner}} on the project template to save it having to go to TfD. If you want to tag articles please use the "Transport=yes" switch in the general template. Agathoclea (talk) 15:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The tag only works on the test template at the moment. The general template is protected and I'm not an admin so the necessary changes still need to be made there (copy over either the Roads or Transport option from the test template). The necessary categories also need to be created for this taskforce. - 52 Pickup (talk) 17:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I am going for the transport option as is the name of the taskforce. I will copy the complete test template oncle you tell me it is ready. Agathoclea (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It is now ready, and the accompanying categories have been created (see Category:German transportation task force articles) - 52 Pickup (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

 Done Changes are live. Agathoclea (talk) 20:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Germany - help needed

For the last few months I've been working on Flag of Germany. In July it looked like this and now it looks like this. In working on this article, I've drawn on a number of articles that can now possibly be merged into this one (see various mergefrom requests now in the article) plus a number of articles from the German wiki, and a few other sources, while at the same time trying to provide as many supporting references as possible. I am very interested in getting this article up to GA (or even FA?) standard so I would appreciate it if people could proofread it and/or expand/clarify any points that may need attention. After working on this for the last few months, I'd really really need some fresh eyes on this article. Thanks - 52 Pickup (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Not long ago, I managed to get this article past GA review. If anyone has any thoughts on how the article can be improved further up to FA level, then come forward. I also set up a peer review (see link on article's talk page) in an attempt to generate more feedback but that is pretty quiet. The varying standards of other FA flag articles doesn't suggesting anything else to me. At the moment all I can think of is adding more and more citations. - 52 Pickup ^(deal) 15:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The article looks very good, and has even features I did not know yet (proposed alternative flags). Maybe the order should be re-arranged, with history coming before technical details or flag days, which result from history. As there are precedents in Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Awards.2C_decorations_and_vexillology, but also in Wikipedia:Former_featured_articles#Awards.2C_decorations_and_vexillology, maybe you should just put it up at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, and we'll see what is asked by the reviewers? -- Matthead  Discuß   19:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

There are no set rules for the ordering of sections within flag articles, but it appears that technical details are close to the top (eg. see FA articles Flag of Portugal and Flag of Australia) but flag days can possibly be moved down. The GA/A/FA requirements for heraldry/vexillology articles are not clear (although the requirements for A-class are not really clear anywhere - i don't even know if it would qualify for A-class here at WPGER). But if you look at GA-Class heraldry and vexillology articles, A-Class heraldry and vexillology articles and FA-Class heraldry and vexillology articles you can see that the standards of the flag articles listed here are not all that uniform. I would like to nominate the article for FA some time soon, but I think it is best to make sure that the article spends enough time at peer review since that appears to be a pseudo-requirement for FA - see Wikipedia:Peer review/Flag of Germany. There are already a couple of outstanding issues there that I need to address, but real world committments are getting in my way at the moment. - 52 Pickup ^(deal) 07:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty, after all the feedback that has come in since running the peer review, and unearthing lots of extra supporting documents, I have finally bitten the bullet and nominated the article for FA - Nomination page - 52 Pickup ^(deal) 10:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

====> still help needed ? please see: [2] and [3] regards Tom --Dan Wesson (talk) 06:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. A separate section on symbols used in the flag was suggested by the FA review. The tricky part is figuring out what belongs in the flag article and what in the separate Coat of arms of Germany article. Unfortunately I will be going on a long break very soon so I won't be able to make this suggested change at this point, but these links should help when I get back. The review is not closed yet, but a good copy-edit has been called for. - 52 Pickup (deal) 16:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Lea Rosh

If anyone has time and inclination to offer a hand, the article on Lea Rosh was brought to the attention of the volunteers at WP:BLPN as repeatedly receiving unsourced or poorly sourced controversial information. The editor who noted the issue has evidently removed the material, or the worst of it, but I believe the article would benefit tremendously from the contribution of a disinterested party who can read the source material as I (being relatively monolingual) cannot. As someone with no familiarity with the subject, I find the article quite unbalanced. Assistance would be appreciated. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Page move request in progress

There is a request to move Franz Josef Strauß to "Franz Josef Strauss"; see Talk:Franz Josef Strauß#Survey. —Angr ^{If you've written a quality article...} 13:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)