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07:45, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Abbas Sajwani

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We are trying to upload the content for the Wikipedia article, but we are facing problems such as it is not getting approved. can you please help us to know the process as we can upload the content. 

Abbas Sajwani (talk) 07:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your sandbox has no content so there is nothing to review? Theroadislong (talk) 07:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They just moved it to mainspace; I've responded by kicking it back to their userspace. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 08:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who is "we"? Only a single person should have exclusive access to your account. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:21, 19 June 2024 review of submission by 2409:4060:108:7DC2:3C2D:8311:3C2E:8EDF

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Why is this page deleted? There is so much information on Google about this, even a Knowledge Panel. 2409:4060:108:7DC2:3C2D:8311:3C2E:8EDF (talk) 09:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean rejected, not deleted. It was deleted for the reason indicated "Knowledge Panels" are automatically generated and the existence of one does not confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sir, so as notability can i add imdb, crunchbase and google play books links? what should i add to prevent it from getting rejected sir? 2409:4060:108:7DC2:3C2D:8311:3C2E:8EDF (talk) 09:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has been rejected already, there is nothing to be done to "prevent" that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMDb and Crunchbase are both worthless sources full stop (no editorial oversight) and Google Play is no better than those (online storefront). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:32, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Vivian0617

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Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to inquire about the recent decline of my submission to create a Wikipedia article for Chen Lijun, a prominent Yue opera performer currently well-known in China.

I have submitted basic information for the article, but unfortunately, it was declined. Could you please provide me with the specific reasons for the decline? Additionally, I would appreciate guidance on how I can improve the submission to meet Wikipedia's standards for acceptance.

Furthermore, regarding references, may I inquire whether it is acceptable to use Chinese sources instead of English ones? As there is limited information available in English about this aspect of Chinese traditional culture, I believe using Chinese sources would provide the most accurate and comprehensive coverage.

Thank you very much for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your response and guidance on how to proceed with the creation of Chen Lijun's Wikipedia article.

Best regards, Vivian Vivian0617 (talk) 09:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vivian0617: the draft was declined because it provides no evidence that the subject is notable. A single source is not enough to establish notability, especially when it only provides a passing mention of the subject, and doesn't seem to verify any of the (very limited) information in the draft.
And yes, non-English sources are acceptable, as long as they meet the usual requirements in terms of reliability, independence of the subject, etc. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response! I would like to ask if Wikipedia's different language versions share the same content repository? I recently noticed that the entry I wanted to add already exists in the Chinese version. If I simply add English language to this Chinese version, will it automatically translate into an English version? Will non-Chinese speakers be able to see it as well? Additionally, since I didn't create this Chinese version, am I eligible to add information to it (with references provided)? Thank you! Vivian0617 (talk) 05:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vivian0617: each language version of Wikipedia is an entirely separate project. Each has its own rules and requirements for what can be published, and being published in one version in no way guarantees that publication in another version is possible, at all or at least without substantive modification. From this it also follows that the articles in different language versions on the same topic may have widely varying contents.
There is no facility for automatically translating articles, this is done manually by individual editors. If you wish to translate from a language other than English for publication in the English-language Wikipedia, please see WP:HOWTRANS for advice. Note especially the requirement to attribute the original article as the source. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vivian0617: the article has been declined purely because it's so short, it doesn't show why she is notable - if she is discussed in multiple sources, this helps. Non-English sources are perfectly acceptable, however makes it more difficult to review. Mdann52 (talk) 09:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response! I would like to ask if Wikipedia's different language versions share the same content repository? I recently noticed that the entry I wanted to add already exists in the Chinese version. If I simply add English language to this Chinese version, will it automatically translate into an English version? Will non-Chinese speakers be able to see it as well? Additionally, since I didn't create this Chinese version, am I eligible to add information to it (with references provided)? Thank you! Vivian0617 (talk) 05:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Answered above.) DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:53, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Kamil grundy39712132

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I'm new to making articles and if you could tell me how to improve on it that would be great 

Kamil grundy39712132 (talk) 09:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles are based on significant coverage in reliable independent published sources, your draft has none and it has been rejected, there is nothing else you can do. Theroadislong (talk) 09:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10:04, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Pushpendra singh gurjar 27

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Why the submission has been declined, please mention reasons, I will fix those in the draft Pushpendra singh gurjar 27 (talk) 10:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pushpendra singh gurjar 27: the decline was in error, and has been undone; the draft is back to pending review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @DoubleGrazing for quick response Pushpendra singh gurjar 27 (talk) 10:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the sources related to this village are not available over internet, Is there any other type of reference/source that can be helpful for approval? Pushpendra singh gurjar 27 (talk) 10:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pushpendra singh gurjar 27: We accept offline sources, if enough information is provided to look the source up in an archive. (For newspapers and magazines we need the publication name, publication edition (e.g. 1 Jan 1923), article title, article byline, and the page(s) the article can be found on; for books we need title, author, publisher, year of publication, page(s) being cited, and either the ISBN or OCLC#.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response @Jéské Couriano, Currently there is no information is available in books or any authorised source. The only authenticity is the village public or some government organised activities like census and elections results. Pushpendra singh gurjar 27 (talk) 16:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10:35, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Woobab

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Hi,

Thanks for reviewing my draft so quickly. I've removed one arguably unreliable reference from the citations, I'm wondering if you could point out which other ones are unsuitable for this draft. Also, please clarify if the rejection was due to a specific unreliable reference or that there were simply not enough references. Note that I did refer to the first party official site as that reflects the most accurate information about location and times.

Thank you,

Woobab Woobab (talk) 10:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging reviewer @Jamiebuba. I think this draft is fine for acceptance now. Coachella Valley Independent is a smaller local publication, but it have been cited by others before. The Lineups section is without sources though (just put one at the top of the section). And on a side note I don't think the last sentence of the first paragraph is necessary. Ca talk to me! 12:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really appreciate the feedback. I've added more details, such as authors and publication names into the references as well as adding more relevant sources. I wasn't sure what constituted sources for the lineup so I've included published articles from sources such as Consequence of Sound and Stereogum alongside setlist.fm listings (let me know if this counts as 'social media' sources and is incorrect for this usage, I can remove them). I do agree with your statement, I've drastically reduced the lengthiness of that sentence, as that information is more or less redundant with the lineups section. Thanks again! I'll probably go ahead and submit it now. Woobab (talk) 17:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much better in the current version and thanks @Ca. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend resubmitting, though more sources would be a plus. 👍 Ca talk to me! 12:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10:55, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Pushpendra singh gurjar 27

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Most of the sources related to this village are not available over internet, Is there any other type of reference/source that can be helpful for approval? Pushpendra singh gurjar 27 (talk) 10:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources don't have to be online books, newspapers magazines etc are fine, just cite where you got the information from. Theroadislong (talk) 11:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the sources please check @Theroadislong Pushpendra singh gurjar 27 (talk) 12:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but you have NOT updated the sources, "Oldest Village Residents Name: Baba Rajendra Prasad(Retired government school teacher), Baba Chandan Singh" and "verified by villagers" are absolutely NOT reliable published sources. Theroadislong (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:28, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Rupashegal

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suggest me Rupashegal (talk) 12:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The draft was thoroughly promotional and has been deleted. Please see WP:PROMO, WP:COI, and WP:PAID(as you have a clear financial interest as the founder) 331dot (talk) 12:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rupashegal: this draft was deleted as promotional. I suggest you don't try that again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:34, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Zermuggleflizbot

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why. it is valid. Zermuggleflizbot (talk) 13:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zermuggleflizbot Wikipedia is not a database of what random people on Twitter say. Qcne (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:56, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Jerrychuang1

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I got this response after the review of my submission This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. However, I believe this article is very neural and it only describe some facts about the organization Jerrychuang1 (talk) 15:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jerrychuang1: The fact the draft got deleted as blatant and irreparable advertizing/promotion seems to say otherwise. What is your connexion to Rexgear? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A friend of mine knows the owner of this place and I couldn't find it online, so I volunteered to write one wiki article for them Jerrychuang1 (talk) 17:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest finding three good sources to base the article off of first, then summarise what those sources say, with no editorialising or extrapolation. You're not writing an advert for the company, you're writing an encyclopaedia article for readers who do not like articles advertizing to them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What if I ask someone else to write it for them and see if the company wants to pay for them. Will this submission be accepted? Jerrychuang1 (talk) 17:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless it meets WP:NCOMPANY, doubtful. There's a reason AFC provides {{Find sources}} in drafts; also, what Jéské said about WP:THREE; also, any paid editing (which is otherwise discouraged) must be disclosed. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re-signing for ping @Jerrychuang1: —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17:17, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Mamun RNN

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Hello Sir,

I have submitted a new article on behalf of Washington University of Science and Technology (WUST). Unfortunately, the request has been declined. Could you please let me know how to resubmit the article? Thank you for your guidance.

Thank you. Mamun RNN (talk) 17:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mamun RNN: it has been more than declined, it has been rejected, which means the end of the road for this draft. What's more, it has been deemed overtly promotional, and is pending speedy deletion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And editor blocked for spamming Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18:51, 19 June 2024 review of submission by 86.129.185.213

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Hello - Mohit Joshi is the CEO of Tech Mahindra and an Aviva Board Member. We are not sure why his Wikipedia page is getting rejected. Please can you help set it up? 86.129.185.213 (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merely being the CEO of Tech Mahindra confers zero notability? Who is "we", accounts are strictly single person use only. Theroadislong (talk) 19:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to "set up a page", you should do that somewhere else. This is an encyclopedia composed of articles. 331dot (talk) 20:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you read WP:BOSS. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:42, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Faketuxedo

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Are the sources in my article sufficient and reliable? Is there anything to modify or change? Grammar is still a work in progress. Faketuxedo (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What many of them are not, is Independent. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
This is par for the course for new editors who try the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent much time learning about how Wikipedia works. I always advise spending a few weeks or months editing existing articles and learning about fundamental concepts such as verifiability, neutral point of view and notability before even trying it. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:46, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Duosdebs01

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I corrected many errors on this article. Can you accept my submission now? Duosdebs01 (talk) 19:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zero improvement of the rejected draft, I suggest you find another topic to edit. Theroadislong (talk) 19:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:22, 19 June 2024 review of submission by Gwydd

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Don't know what you want guys. I gave you 5 reliable and well know books and a historic newspaper article. Gwydd (talk) 22:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gwydd We want one article with one subject, not three articles in one. Shirley G. Kingsleymay warrant an article. The River Plate Aviation Company may warrant an article. British flying-boats does not, with this content.
You have written a magazine piece, an essay, not an encyclopaedia article. We need flat, dull-but-worthy prose, purely factual, summarising in your own words without close paraphrasing what others have said about the topic from significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with Timtrent. This looks like a great magazine article, but not good for Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia. Try a blog, perhaps? Cremastra (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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