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05:15:38, 5 August 2020 review of submission by Parijat Vines

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Parijat Vines (talk) 05:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Parijat Vines: Your submission lacks any form of source for the information. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

06:35:29, 5 August 2020 review of submission by AlikotoSam

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Hello, I understand that the topic may not be notable and may not merit an article on Wikipedia but as a means to learn while working on articles, I would like some pointers from you since I thought academic journals and books could be used as credible sources. Thanks!

AlikotoSam (talk) 06:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AlikotoSam, As long as the journal is one that meets WP:RS and as long as the book is not self or vanity published then each can be used as a reference. However, a passing mention alone is insufficient. The mention must be a solid discussion. It must also be independent of the entity the article is written about. This means that an interview, even in the New York Times counts as a Primary Source, and can be used to confirm simple facts, but not those susceptible to potential challenge, whereas a report written independently and not commissioned by the entity in the same paper is a Secondary Source and therefore a very useful reference
This seems arcane at first until we remember that Wikipedia may never make the news. It may only record what is in the news (for example). In the same manner Wikipedia is concerned with cited facts, not truth. Often facts and truth coincide, but not always. Fiddle Faddle 08:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

08:01:03, 5 August 2020 review of submission by PDPI

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sir please dont see sockpuppet and all,please check out the links and answer it,dont decline it because its sockpuppet,if its notable then say it

PDPI (talk) 08:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PDPI, The investigation will take its course. The cricketer is not notable. Many have said it. Please give up the attempt to get the gentleman onto Wikipedia until he has genuine notability Fiddle Faddle 08:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked the scorecards that are being used as sources in both the Draft and the previously deleted page. Both of these [1] [2] clash with matches that one of the teams and at least 3 of the players listed were involved with : [3], [4] and [5]. They are user generated / made up and prove nothing. Spike 'em (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

09:19:19, 5 August 2020 review of submission by Chavanjay93

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Chavanjay93 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chavanjay93, I am afraid Wikipedia is not the place to publicise yourself. Fiddle Faddle 09:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

09:57:38, 5 August 2020 review of submission by Idrab4all

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Idrab4all (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Kindly advice: My project has not been approved for about three times now, what do I do? Thanks[reply]

Idrab4all, The lady is not inherently notable. She sounds as if she is a decent person doing her job well, but there are many millions of people in the world like that. LinkedIn is the correct home for people in this category, not Wikipedia Fiddle Faddle 10:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 10:07:08, 5 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Abhishek Sanu

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Sir, I am the user "Abhishek Sanu". I want to tell you that the draft article I wrote about "Nancy Jewel McDonie", I am writing after doing a lot of research on the internet myself. I first researched about it on the internet and got the right information, and then I started writing articles. I had no idea at all that Wikipedia already had a similar article on the draft article "Nancy Jewel McDonnie" known as "Nancy (singer)". So what I mean to say is that the article I have written is written by me, not by looking at an article written by someone else. So I request you to kindly accept my article. If my article is accepted, I will improve this article even more. 

        My article may be accepted due to the points given below:
        1. I wrote the draft article "Nancy Jewel McDonie" in a different, simpler, and much simpler language than the "Nancy (Singer)" article, so that people would be easier to read and understand.
        2. I have written several points in my draft article "Nancy Jewel MacDonie" that are not in the article "Nancy (Singer)".  Such as the sub title "Extended Description and Career" and the title "Published Works".
        3. The draft article I wrote "Nancy Jewel McDonie" uses more references than the article "Nancy (Singer)".  There are about 15 references in the article "Nancy (Singer)" and I have 17 references in the draft article "Nancy Jewel Mcdonie".

Abhishek Sanu (talk) 10:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Abhishek Sanu, This is not a contest over who has the most references. Please enjoy editing Nancy (singer) and improving it with your referenced material. Thank you for researching the draft so carefully. Please use that research to make the existing article better. You can see that there is a merge request on your draft and on the target article. If you need to discuss it please follow the link there. Otherwise please simply create good edits backed by references Fiddle Faddle 10:16, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 10:11:38, 5 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Pravega

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Finally after two months of waiting, my submission was rejected. I understand it is as per wikipedia guidlines. But the reason given for rejection was unsatisfactory, These sources say more about the architect than they do about this hotel. I don't see general notability here. Of course this restaurant is known for it's architecture, it's height, it enables the 360 view for visitors. The topic is notable as an architecturally important building and considered as landmark building of Ahmedabad. This reference says: Noted architect Hasmukh Patel, who designed Ahmedabad's landmark revolving restaurant — Patang — passed away on Saturday morning after prolonged illness.[1] In-fact the Hasmukh Patel (architect) became much popular due to this restaurant. See the title image of this article.[2] The restaurant is a popular tourist place too, many local as well as international tourists You-tubers published Vlog on it.[3]

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  1. ^ "Architect who designed 'Patang' dies". DNA India. 2018-01-21. Archived from the original on 2018-06-29. Retrieved 2020-05-30.
  2. ^ "Hasmukh C. Patel: A Pioneer Of Modern Indian Architecture Passed Away". World Architecture Community. Retrieved 2020-08-05.
  3. ^ "Patang Hotel YouTube". Retrieved 5 August 2020.

❯❯❯Praveg A=9.8 10:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pravega, It is usually a good idea to ask the reviewer who declined it (which means pushing it back to you for further work) what was in their mind. All reviewers know that we have to be able to justify our decisions, and I am sure Chris troutman will tell you.
Without my studying the draft in any depth I can say that the draft is very short. Perhaps it can be expanded and references applied to it that are not about the architect themselves, but are about the restaurant and its architecture?
I'm also not keen on "by Hasmukh Patel.[4][5][6][7] " which is a prime example of WP:CITEKILL. Instead we need one excellent reference per fact asserted. If you are sure it is beneficial, two, and at an absolute maximum, three. A fact you assert once verified in a reliable source, is verified. More is gilding the lily. Please choose the very best in each case of multiple referencing for a single point and either drop or repurpose the remainder. Indeed, this may be the issue that the reviewer objected to Fiddle Faddle 10:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

10:19:47, 5 August 2020 review of draft by Jmina12

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Hi please my article is pending, I don’t know what else I could do to have it approved

Jmina12 (talk) 10:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jmina12, You have not yet submitted the draft. I will do that for you. But please note that there are no references that I can see.
We require references from significant coverage about the entity, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. Schools do get special treatment on Wikipedia but we do need something in terms of referencing. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
So please work on referencing. At the moment, even though I am submitting it, it will be pushed back to you for further work. I shall not do that, but I will leave a comment on it. Because it is highlighted here I expect it will be declined shortly, but do not be discouraged unless the school is unsuitable for Wikipedia Fiddle Faddle 10:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jmina12, I was correct, it has been pushed back to you for work. That is absolutely fine. Continue to improve it and only resubmit when you are sure you need a new review Fiddle Faddle 10:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12:18:52, 5 August 2020 review of draft by KennyParis

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Hello, I want to make sure my next review of the draft will be approved, I have now put as many reliable sources as I could find. They are Grammy-winning writers and producers who have worked with some of the most known artists in the world, like Madonna, Mark Ronson, Miley Cyrus and they produced the last Beyonce single. As requested, I have also created paragraphs to give a bit of a story about them and not only a listing of their work. Your help would be greatly appreciated please. Thank you very much.

KennyParis (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12:24:47, 5 August 2020 review of submission by Omniscient256

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Dear Team, please advise on any fresh additions or subtractions regarding Draft:Pascal Mouawad. It has been rejected severally by the same reviewer. I would like to request for a new set of eyes to honestly review the article and advise on what truly is missing because the subject of the article is noteworthy in the gemology and jewelry sector with decades of experience and has several secondary sources talking about him and his prowess in his specialty field.
Tone is not appropriate " became the heart of Pascal’s vision", "Pascal was immersed in the world of fine jewelry from a young age", "Pascal brought a twist to the family tradition", "relocation helped nurture Pascal’s relationship with Hollywood’s A-listers", "A new era for the Mouawad Group dawned", "company reins were passed on", "pursuing their father’s vision of achieving complete vertical integration" etc. etc. Theroadislong (talk) 12:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Theroadislong, I concur with your thoughts. Now the draft has been reviewed by four separate reviewers Fiddle Faddle 12:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent: as per your earlier advice, the tonality issue has been worked on and so far reviewer Theroadislong who raised the issue earlier is okay with the current tone of the article. Now, the issue that is yet to be resolved but can also be determined is one of notability. Please advise me on how a celebrity jeweler and billionaire that is a Co-CEO of a top tier jewelry entity with multiple Guinness World Records to his name and hundreds of secondary news sources (in multi languages) about him can be excluded from the class of the noteworthy. I need advice on that matter because just googling him brings hundreds of secondary stories in which his name appears in the headline. If that is not notable for entities in the gemology and jewelry sector, please advise on what notability really is. The Omniscient (talk) 12:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Omniscient256, Please don't get snarky and then expect a good answer to your question. Life does not work that way. I will not be reviewing this draft when you submit it. Thank you for working on the tone of the draft. Your own requires further work
Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. Fiddle Faddle 12:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Omniscient256, As a paid editor, paid for writing this article by the business you are writing about, your payment deadline is not our concern. Article quality most assuredly is. You are held to a very high standard here. It is not that long ago that paid articles were deleted on sight. Now we put them through the AFC process. So please be patient. If you meet the standard it gets in, if not, then not. Fiddle Faddle 19:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 23:33:15, 5 August 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Weareantigravity

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I've been trying to create a page for a songwriter/ producer and I keep getting the message that he's not significant enough to warrant a page or something. He's written with tons of massive artists, he's won awards, been nominated, etc so I'm not sure why he doesn't qualify when I've seen songwriters and producers with less clout have wikipedia pages that have next to nothing on them. When the page gets rejected, I've tried different types of sources that say who he is and verify his work but still nothing. I understand that there are standards for citations, and I'm in total agreement with making sure things are verified, but I'm not creating a page on a historical moment and therefore don't have textbooks or anything of that calibre to cite. The links I've used aren't someone's personal blog either so I'm at a loss as to what I can use that shows he's "relevant" enough. I would really appreciate any input.

Weareantigravity (talk) 23:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weareantigravity, I am about to analyse the references on your draft for you to gain an understanding of what is useful and what is not. It will take a few minutes to do. I'll notify you personally when it is done Fiddle Faddle 11:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weareantigravity,   Done, notified you on your talk page, and placed on the draft. The upshot is that you need better references. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. Fiddle Faddle 11:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

23:44:32, 5 August 2020 review of submission by Rifken

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Can someone help me get the page for my film The Still Life put up? I've literally been at it for years and years. I got a note that it is because you can't confirm it's a real film. A quick google search will show you it is a real film and was distributed by Warner Bros.

Rifken (talk) 23:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Rifken: We know it's a real film. Howewer, it the submission currently doesnt indicate how this film meets WP:NFILM. Imdb.com is not considered a reliable source because its user-generated. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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