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14:18:23, 3 March 2019 review of draft by Cdogas

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why isn't this article published? Cdogas (talk) 14:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

15:38:03, 3 March 2019 review of draft by Ajd

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My submission of Draft:Gem Harvest was just rejected and I don't understand the reason. The rationale given was "the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at List of Steven Universe episodes instead."

This of course is obviously untrue. The article List of Steven Universe episodes is a list of episodes, with about two sentences of plot summary for each and no room for any more information but some basic infobox data. But a handful of episodes (e.g., Mindful Education, Reunited) that are particularly notable for their production, impact, and/or critical response have articles of their own, so that their notable aspects can be discussed in more detail. I believe this episode is notable for its controversial subject matter, leading to substantial discussion and disagreement in secondary sources; the episode list does not provide space to include such information.

If the reason for rejection were that the draft doesn't establish that the episode meets the notability standard, I'd understand that—I'd disagree with it, but at least I'd understand it. But rejecting it on the grounds that Wikipedia already has an article on this subject just makes no sense, since it doesn't. There's no way to "resolve the issues", because there are no issues raised. The same argument would reject any of the 20 or so Steven Universe episode articles that already exist; it would reject any number of existing articles about episodes of other shows; heck, it would reject the article on New Hampshire because List of U.S. states exists.

Can you please clarify the rejection, and explain what is needed to bring the article to an acceptable standard? AJD (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AJD (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for the reviewer, but I'm not sure the article is independently notable. You'd have to have more referencing from independent reliable sources to show that this episode is notable. I don't think it's all that far off though, as I can see other episodes are listed, and likely notable. I've pinged the reviewing editor who will most likely have a clearer view of the criteria here, but I think that's most likely the reason.
PS - The response isn't exactly wrong, as it does exist on Wikipedia, so I can see why they linked to it. It's a well written article, however, so worth a thorough check. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:25, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The reject is correct on two levels. The topic is already covered on the list article. If you want to do a a bunch of spinoffs you should consult interested editors on the list page and/or the show's mainpage. Secondly the title already exists as a redirect so I can't move the draft to mainspace anyway unless I seek deletion of the redirect which I am not willing to do since I'm not convinced individual episodes are notable enough for a stand alone article. You could expamd the List of episodes info and get in much of the same material. You are not limited to two sentences. Legacypac (talk) 17:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain what it would take to convince you that an episode is notable enough for an article? The draft cites six distinct articles analyzing the episode, by five different authors, published on relatively high-profile media-analysis websites; that seems to clearly constitute significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. And I don't understand what you mean by "if you want to do a bunch of spinoffs". The existence of about 20 articles about individual episodes of Steven Universe is a fait accompli, all of which have been deemed notable enough for standalone articles; "Gem Harvest" is no less notable than most of those. Anyway I'll be happy to try to start a discussion about whether "Gem Harvest" is suitable for a standalone article at Talk:List of Steven Universe episodes, but if consensus there is that "Gem Harvest" should have its own article I'm not sure what to do about it, since we'd still have to move it over the redirect. (Also, if AfC reviewers can't move articles to mainspace over redirects, I'm not sure why my move request was transferred to AfC in the first place.) AJD (talk) 18:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

16:17:03, 3 March 2019 review of submission by Maqbool ahmed sifu

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Maqbool ahmed sifu 16:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maqbool ahmed sifu (talk • contribs)

Request on 16:20:01, 3 March 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Johnsung123

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Hi my draft article on masjid omar salmah got rejected due to copyrighted text. However, I have mixed some reference texts and my own words together, making it confusing to identify which part does not fulfill the copyright requirements. (I have already added references to most paragraphs) Is there a way to find out which part of the article/texts does not fulfill the copyright requirements so that I can edit accordingly? Also some of my images are not licensed properly yet... Is that another cause for rejection of the draft? Please advice, thank you! Johnsung123 (talk) 16:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Johnsung123 - It looks to me as though it's already been removed. You can see copyviolations with an external tool here. You should write your article in a similar way to other articles that are similar. You have wayy to many images on the article, and it's quite a promotional article. Please read WP:NPOV. The article itself isn't written like articles on wikipedia, so that would be your main point of change. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

17:27:35, 3 March 2019 review of draft by Cdogas

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I am requesting help because the article i submitted "dimitris kaligeris" has been rejected without a reasonable rationale...the reviewer stated that it lacked sufficient footnotes! This is an article of a few lines with 2 footnotes! The sources are Greek websites and perhaps the reviewer cannot read Greek!

Cdogas (talk) 17:27, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cdogas. If you believe the subject meets WP:NFOOTY, your best approach would be to explain on Draft talk:Dimitris Kaligeris how he meets the guideline, and then resubmit the draft. If you can find additional sources, those would also be helpful, but be sure to use reliable ones. Transfermark profiles and wikis are not reliable sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

22:17:49, 3 March 2019 review of submission by Perron olivier

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I changed the references to refer to a book from another author. Perron olivier (talk) 22:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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