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Request on 03:04:01, 11 September 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Navysaylorgirl

• Navysaylorgirl (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Matthew Proman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I asked for help making the article I submitted more neutral. I was especially confused because the message I get states that the original editor "is taking a short wikibreak." But the editor that responded told me that the original editor was in fact available. However, that editor provided no constructive help, which does me no good. I would simply like to do what is necessary to get this to meet the guidelines. TY

Navysaylorgirl (talk) 03:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Navysaylorgirl. Removing information from non-independent sources can help achieve a neutral point of view. I tried that as an exercise, and there's almost nothing left. The two remaining sources are independent and reliable, but they do not contain significant coverage of Proman. This leads me to conclude, like reviewer Cameron11598, that Proman is not notable (not a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article). No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. The only constructive advice I can offer is to move on to a different topic. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

04:03:30, 11 September 2018 review of draft by Mvscrimenti

• Mvscrimenti (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Ucommune (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I don't understand why article submission was rejected. The editor said there weren't enough high-quality sources, but I have 15 news stories about this company from Reuters, Bloomberg, Forbes, FT and other highly-reputable news sources. Please advise. Mvscrimenti (talk) 04:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

06:14:16, 11 September 2018 review of submission by Kai Kiat

• Kai Kiat (talk · contribs)
  • No draft specified!

Draft:Mao_Daqing

Hi. Did anyone see this latest revision?

Kai Kiat (talk) 06:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kai Kiat. No one has seen Draft:Mao Daqing because it has not been submitted for review. You may submit it by clicking the blue button in the large gray box at the top of the draft. Note that the draft has significant formatting problems, possibly caused by copying and pasting a rendered article instead of copying and pasting the wiki markup from the edit tab of an existing article. The draft also misuses external links. There should be no links in the text that take the reader away from Wikipedia. It might be wise to fix those problems before you submit the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

12:42:17, 11 September 2018 review of draft by Mpwong

• Mpwong (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:China Blue (artist) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I received this response to my submission: Please note Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. Does this mean that I have to remove internal references to people cited that have Wiki pages?

Mpwong (talk) 12:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mpwong. Yes. Do not write Student of Chiura Obata<ref>https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Chiura_Obata</ref>, because Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and should not be used as a reference. Instead write Student of [[Chiura Obata]] See WP:Linking for more information about internal links.

More generally, you seem to have missed the point of references. In a statement like, "She went on to become a corp de ballet dancer for the San Francisco Opera Ballet Company ." the reference must prove that she was a corps de ballet dancer for the San Francisco Opera Ballet Company. The cited source proves nothing of the kind, it's just the San Francisco Opera's homepage, which doesn't mention her at all. See citing sources and WP:REFB for further guidance.

Understand that although the above are important problems to fix, they are not the main problems with the draft. The main problems are that it is based far too heavily on what the artist says about herself, and very little on what independent sources, such as The New York Times and The Washington Post, say about her. An encyclopedia biography should not be a copy of the person's website. By not using independent sources, the draft fails to demonstrate that she is notable (that she belongs in Wikipedia). To correct this, throw away everything you've done and start over, using only independent sources at first. Once you've squeezed everything you can out of independent sources, you may add something non-controversial from non-independent sources here and there to round out the biography. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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13:54:28, 11 September 2018 review of draft by Fabregado

• Fabregado (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Obinna Onyebuchi Muoma (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please i want to know if my article is due for publishing? I have corrected every errors there in, but if there is/are any please let me know

Fabregado (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

21:52:10, 11 September 2018 review of submission by Robroots187

• Robroots187 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Flow 187 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Robroots187 (talk) 21:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I have added more sources and news to qualify ... This is starting to look like discrimination ...

Yes, we require subjects to be notable and do not allow fabricated content such as "has a single produced by Wiz Khalifa" with absolutely no sources to support such a claim. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 22:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)