Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 September 15

Welcome to the WikiProject Articles for creation Help Desk Archives
The page you are currently viewing is an archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current Help Desk pages.

September 15

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/List of RiverClan cats (Warriors)

Uh... I'd like some help adding the ref tags. Many thanks, Spotted_Leaf11 (talk) 04:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)Spotted_Leaf11

What exactly do you need help with? There's already an example of ref tags that works exactly as it's supposed to do, but the text enclosed in those tags is just "1", which is not a very good reference. That should instead be the source, but since I don't know what source it was supposed to be I cannot change it.

I have some doubts about the proposed list in general. Firstly, I doubt there are secondary sources for that information, which would raise issues of notability. Secondly, sorting the characters by novel leads to quite a lot of redundancy; the clan leadership remains unchanged throughout most of the novels. Maybe it would be better to turn the list into a table with one entry per character and some remarks about appearances? Also, the list provides very little context, not even a link to the main Warriors (novel series) article. Huon (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

One, I did not put a link yet, because i just started the page. Two, I did not know how touse the ref tags. And three, i got all the cats by reading the books! So i think i got it under control now- Let me see if i'm correct. Many thanks, Spotted_Leaf11 (talk) 20:28, 15 September 2012 (UTC)Spotted_Leaf11

Why article was rejected Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/York Region Environmental Alliance

Hello,

I was hoping for feedback on why Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/York Region Environmental Alliance was rejected.

Thank you for your time,

Dragongal (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

That submission was in the wrong place; it wasn't at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/York Region Environmental Alliance, but at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Organizations, which is meant to hold requests for others to write articles and not for drafts you have written yourself. That page is currently a mess and needs some serious reverting to an earlier, uncompromised version. For example, I believe your draft wasn't rejected but simply overwritten by someone else who pasted his own draft in the same (also wrong) place.

The main problem with your draft is that it doesn't establish the organization's notability by showing it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject: Four of the five references are the YREA itself, and the fifth is just a trivial mention without any details about the YREA. Huon (talk)

Thomas Pantin 1762 - 1820

Dear Susan,

Many thanks for reviewing the entry for Thomas Pantin (my great,great,great,great Grandfather).

The family have over the years kept extensive documents from Thomas Pantins business. With the help of a genealogist we have started to thoughely investigate file and document the information we have for the company he started in 1788.

Having read up on reliable sources I've since taken some sections of the article out until we can submit evidence to back it up. This is work in progress.

I would be grateful if you could review the article again with this additional information.

Sir Paul Pinder - information from the V & A museum.

History of the Firm by the former Managing Director Herbert Pantin in 1932 If you require I will send you the full scanned copy printed by Roberts in London EC4 if required.

Photograph of company incorporation documents for the Pantin company signed with his seal.

A photo of one of the many letters from 88 Smithfield. This was the building Thomas Pantin set the business up in when he left the employment of the Pindar's.

Company house registration number 00247711 this relates to the original company. Although this listing is shown as dissolved the microfiche held at Company House details the history going back to 1930 when it first became Limited. Prior to this it operated as a partnership.

I hope this goes someway to backing up this modified article.

Many thanks

Your sincerely Matthew Wallis MATTHEWCWALLIS (talk) 16:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Matthew, unfortunately there are still no sources listed for your article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Thomas Pantin 1762 -1820, therefore it is likely to be declined again for the same reason. We need to see a range of authoritative published sources listed to (a) prove the subject is notable enough for an encyclopedia (b) verify the information is true. Unpublished primary documents are not suitable sources for a Wikipedia article. Of course, there are plenty of genealogical websites that will welcome your research, but not here. All the best! Sionk (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Help with: List of RicerClan Cats

Um... Could i have some help? I only have some of the books, so i need someone else with the other books to help. Many Thanks, Spotted_Leaf11 (talk) 18:19, 15 September 2012 (UTC)Spotted_Leaf11

Could you be a little more specific about the kind of help you need? This help desk is not meant to request others to write articles for you (there's Wikipedia:Requested articles for that), and I expect few of the editors here will own those books - you might be better off asking for that kind of help at the talk page of WikiProject Children's literature.

But there is a more basic issue: In order to be considered notable, the RiverClan cats must have been covered in a reliable source that is independent of the topic - that is, not just in the novels themselves. I doubt such sources exist; thus, it seems unlikely that the RiverClan cats are a notable topic of their own. Furthermore, a bare list of names without context isn't all that helpful. It may be better to add some information on the principal characters to the Warriors (novel series) article or to the articles on the individual books, but even that would require secondary sources. Huon (talk) 18:49, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

So i just get rid of the page? I don't really get what you're saying... Many thanks, Spotted_Leaf11 (talk) 06:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)Spotted_Leaf11

Unless you can provide reliable secondary sources, such as book reviews, discussing the cast of characters, I'd indeed say that the list cannot become a Wikipedia article. There's no need to get rid of the draft (after all, such reliable sources might still become available in the future), but I wouldn't invest too much effort in a list that seems unlikely to meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. See also WP:LISTN for notability of lists. Huon (talk) 11:47, 16 September 2012 (UTC)