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Within a reference, can a comment be removed?

Greetings, For example, at article Ancient Diocese of Alais there is comment ( <!-- Bot generated title --> ) wikicode within a reference. Can or should this be deleled? There are additional articles with this same comment, so I am asking here for help. Thanks. — JoeHebda • (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Joe. Text contained in <!-- this markup --> doesn't...shouldn't have any effect on the way the article displays. If it does for some reason, it can probably be removed with no consequence. A lot of times this is used in article to note where an extensive, but still somewhat controversial consensus has been achieved and should be respected, especially where casual editors who are unaware are likely to make well meaning contributions against consensus. For example, say...if Japan, Korea, and China disagreed on what the real name of a body of water is, and it gets changed on nearly a daily basis. TimothyJosephWood 21:42, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi JoeHebda. The short answer is yes, but it indicates that a human hasn't looked it over yet. Reference titles added the by bot often aren't very good and references need more than a title. Complete the information needed so it has a title, publisher, author if there is one, date if there is one. Then remove the comment. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, JoeHebda. Another example is when I did this to (hopefully) deter some unwanted date changes. When used correctly, they don't affect the appearance of an article at all, but edits like this one can unintentionally make entire sections disappear, as I learned that day. (Thankfully, that was quickly noticed by another user and we eventually figured out the problem — the extra ! at the end of the invisible comment.) -- Gestrid (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi all, Thank you for these answers. Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 00:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Untranslated hidden text, and ambiguous access date

Caña de millo has two untranslated sections (i.e., still in Spanish) at the end of the article, hidden in an <!-- HTML comment -->. I have added {{Expand Spanish}} at the end of the article, plus the following note (because this is not the usual use of that template, and I don't know of a more appropriate one):

NOTE: There are two sections at the end of this article that are (still) in Spanish, hidden in an HTML comment: "Características" and "Ejecución". They should be translated and unhidden, with or without use of the es:wiki article. 

By the way...

1. The last two translated sections still had their titles in Spanish. I translated those to English, and added anchors for the previous titles on the preceding line..
2. See Talk:Caña de millo § Fondación date. I don't think it's that important to get the access date for a 2011 access accurate to less than a month, and I've tried the only thing I could think of, without success.

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 06:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Thnidu: The "Note" which you added to the article, and repeated above, should not be part of the article. I have therefore removed it from the article and placed it on the article's talk page, which is the preferred place for discussing improvements to the article. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Create an infobox

• Muhadin Kishev (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I would be grateful for some help in creating an infobox for my article MUHADIN KISHEV. Thank you Dywana (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I've fixed the infobox at Draft:Muhadin_Kishev for you. Mduvekot (talk) 19:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Dywana: I am concerned about the gallery in that draft. Has the artist released his copyright in those fifteen paintings? Maproom (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Maproom: Thank you for your concern about the Gallery on my draft article: MUHADIN KISHEV. I had my doubts as to whether I have used the correct format. I uploaded them via Wikicommons. The artist is happy for the images to be there and has given his verbal consent, it should mean that they can be used as long as the provenance and all the details about the painting are included. The images are not large enough to be reproduced as prints. I just thought that on a page about an artist it is interesting to see some images, as art is about that, about images, rather than words. Also I considered it significant for the wide range of his work to be seen, from the Soviet period up to his work today. I had a look at the Wikipedia "Zagraevsky" page and saw that he also had a Gallery which gave me the idea. Finally thank you for your magic help. I got up this morning determined to tackle the infobox and found that it had all been done for me. I really do appreciate that!! Dywana (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)DywanaDywana (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Dywana. I'm afraid verbal permission is not enough: in order for a file to be accepted on Wikimedia commons, it must be explicitly released by the copyright holder under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose (including commercially) as long as they attribute it. It is unlikely that an artist would agree to do this, but if they do, they (not you) need to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials.

Usually for an artist, the best that can be done is one or maybe two images uploaded to Wikipedia (not to Commons) under the non-free content criteria: note that the use must match all of these criteria (which is why only one or two images would be allowed).

It is a pity especially for articles about artists that this is the case; but one of Wikipedia's principles is that its contents be reusable. The article can of course contain a link to the artist's website. --ColinFine (talk) 10:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

ColinFine: Thank you for the clarification about the images. Could you advise me as how to proceed? The article has already been approved and is on Wikipedia class C. Shall I delete the Gallery from the article? What shall I do about the works being on Wikicommons? Can I delete them from there? Dywana (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)DywanaDywana (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

You cannot delete the images from Commons, but you can go there and request their deletion. The procedure is described here. This will cause them to be deleted in a few days, and after that, the gallery in the draft will stop showing them, and become a gallery with missing images. Maproom (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

So I would suggest that you do remove the gallery from the article, Dywana, and consider if you want to upload and add one of the pictures under the NFCC. Paradoxically, you don't even need the artist's agreement to do this! --ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine for your advice. I will set about doing that right now. I am sorry to have made this mistake with the images. Dywana (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)DywanaDywana (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

How do I attach a link after I finished editing, backing up why I made changes?

Redpanda6633 (talk) 14:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you are asking how to include a reference, for example to support this change, then try Help:Referencing for beginners. For the future, it is wiser to include references in the same edit as you change the text, as otherwise your text changes may be reverted as unsourced. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

How do I find an article to edit?

I need help finding articles that need editing that I know enough about to edit. How do I find any? H0lly (talk) 19:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi H0lly, there are many ways. You can get User:SuggestBot to leave a list of interesting articles on your talk page. You can also look at the WikiProject Directory and join any of interest, which will probably have a list of articles needing work. You can also click the random article button. One thing I like to do is search for categories, like typing Category:Horses or whatever into the search box. When the category comes up, you can look at and edit the articles within the category. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

You can also click here to do so VarunFEB2003 15:40, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

User CSS Question

How do I create a page in my userspace with the .css extension? Gary "Roach" Sanderson (talk) 19:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Gary, welcome to the Teahouse. You just visit Special:MyPage/common.css (local to English Wikipedia), or meta:Special:MyPage/global.css (all WMF wikis), and create the page. They are also linked from the Appearance tab of your preferences. If you need more detail than that, please ask. See also: Help:User style Murph9000 (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Gary "Roach" Sanderson: Note that you can also create pages in JavaScript (.js). You can go to either Special:MyPage/common.js (local to English Wikipedia) or meta:Special:MyPage/global.js (all WMF wikis) to create them. Also note that there are other CSS and JavaScript pages you can create. All or most of them should have a link to them in your preferences (linked above). If you're planning on using a script someone else has already written, most of them contain instructions about where to put them. -- Gestrid (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

You can also create a page with some other name and CSS extension like User:Username/Pagename.css VarunFEB2003 15:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Paul Godfrey (lyricist) article query

• Paul Godfrey (lyricist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Is there any information that you would advise I add to make this article deemed notable. It seems strange that it is up for deletion when there are lesser artists who have pages on Wikipedia. Samfov (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia makes no judgment about whether a subject is "great", Samfov, or indeed whether they are famous, popular, influential, important, worthy, good, bad, evil, or any other value-based judgment. The only relevant judgment is whether there exist sufficient published resources which are both from reliable publishers and completely independent of the subject, because an article should be written only from such sources. If such sources exist, we say the subject is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and there may be an article about them. If such sources do not exist, or are only superficial, then it is literally impossible to write a satisfactory article about the subject, so Wikipedia forbids the attempt.

It may well be that some of the articles on "lesser" artists that you mention should be deleted: our standards used to be more lax, and we have more than five million articles. If you think that some of them are not notable (in Wikipedia's sense) you are welcome to nominate them for deletion: see Deletion process. --ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Review of a Page

• Draft:Gc Watches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I've tried creating a page a few times, and unfortunately used too much promotional language so it was deleted (more than once.. oops!) with some advice from an admin I've created a draft page that I hope to get moved to being live but before that I'd like to ask for any advice to improve the current article! Thanks Croftleah (talk) 17:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Croftleah. The thing to remember is that what goes into a Wikipedia article is not what you know, or what I know, and it is certainly not anything the subject has said about themselves. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no conenction with the subject have published about the subject. If you can't find a reliable published source for some information (which excludes anything from a blog, a wiki, or social media) don't put it in the article. And for anything other than uncontroversial factual information like locations and dates, if you can't find a published source which is wholly independent of the subject (which excludes anything based on press releases or interviews), don't put it in the article.

Most of the references in your draft are not independent, as they are based on interviews or press releases: you need to find independnet sources. And what Marciano may have said about himself or his company is not relevant to a Wikipedia article, unless possibly an independent commentator has discussed (not just quoted) what he says. --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Croftleah. The draft still reads as blatantly promotional. Encyclopedia articles don't usually, for example, contain flowery superlative quotes about how incredibly wonderful a topic is. Please also post your mandatory disclosure as a financially compensated editor before making further edits or respond to the message posted at your talk page that you are not—though it is exceedingly rare for a person to come here and edit all about a commercial venture if they are not. Also, since you released the copyright to GC Watches' logo at the Commons (by the way, it is very unusual for a commercial company to do that) that is essentially an admission that you are intimately involved in the company (or violating copyright in that upload; hard to find any daylight between those two positions).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

seeking help for completing my new draft article with Category, Personal Data etc.

• Draft:Medhananda (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have written an English article about a notable person in the field of psychology and philosophy who is already "present" with an article in the German Wikipedia for one year (which I had written myself and edited with the help of a German mentor, who helped with the technical details) and in the French Wikipedia. Now I have prepared a similar English article in the draft section with references etc in the style Wikipedia requires. But I need some technical advice for adding the Categories in which the article should appear. Is there somebody who is interested in Psychology and Philosophy, and could help me do the "finish" of the article? Many thanks GoldenerBallGoldenerBall (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@GoldenerBall:. I do not see any references to independent, reliable sources in your draft article. Here on the English Wikipedia, articles must summarize what truly independent sources say about the topic. All of your references are either affiliated with Medhananda, or are explanatory notes rather than references to sources. In addition, your draft is not written from the neutral point of view. It makes various remarkable and opinionated statements about dreams and mythology in Wikipedia's voice, as if they were indisputably true. That is not an appropriate encyclopedic style of writing. Your tone is promotional. I would start all over again, summarizing only what reliable, independent sources say about this person, writing in a scrupulously neutral tone. Categories should be added only after a draft article is accepted to main space. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Too local so was not accepted

Draft:L.A. Watts Summer Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

My page was not accepted because he said it was too local, but it is and always has been a Los Angeles event. So, my sources are the LA Times and other Los Angeles publications. What do I do to fix it without them being more specific.Jrmeizlish (talk) 23:27, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Jrmeizlish and welcome to the Teahouse. Events which only affect a local area generally do not meet Wikipedia's special concept of "notability". In particular see WP:GEOSCOPE which says: "An event affecting a local area and reported only by the media within the immediate region may not necessarily be notable." So it may not be a matter of how the article is written - the event itself may not be suitable for Wikipedia. See whether you can find in-depth coverage of the event in broader, reputable sources (not just local ones) to establish its notability.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

How to validate a requested edit on a talk page?

• Louise Blouin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi all,

I have requested that an edit be made to an article on 24, March 2016 (Talk:Louise Blouin) and I have still no answer. Do you have any advice for me?

Thank you very much! Lbm user2015 (talk) 08:26, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. That page doesn't have many watchers, but hopefully this question will attract attention. I would advise that you expand the bare urls, and then someone may be more likely to respond. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

how to insert external referneces

• Draft:Dana LaCroix (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

hi, i'm editing a musicians page and i have all kind of external links that verify the info i've gathered. how do i reference these? (i'd like a little number 1 to appear at the end of the information that goes to the ref section at the bottom, where I'd like to insert a link. Lovingtheroots (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lovingtheroots
Please see Help:Referencing for beginners - any questions, please come back here and ask - Arjayay (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

citation from a movie

Hi there,

I am editing a musicians page. I saw a movie called Fear X (i have the dvd) and this musician had two songs in the movie, but it's not listed anywhere online. How can I verify this? The only place I've ever seen it written is in the credits at the end of the movie.

Thanks!Lovingtheroots (talk) 14:26, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lovingtheroots. You can cite the film itself using {{Cite AV media}}. Joe Roe (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Moving entry from draft to published

• Draft:Deep Earth Carbon Degassing Project (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi -

I Made an entry as a draft, but was then informed since I am an autoconfirmed user I don't need to go through the draft process. How do I move this page from draft to published?

Thanks Metocguy (talk) 13:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Metocguy
As your account became autoconfirmed about a year ago, you can move it yourself - please see WP:MOVE for the explanation and dos and don'ts - Arjayay (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

That worked. Thanks! Metocguy (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I've been asked to edit an elected official's page. He wants some content removed.

• George Maragos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Please help. The political views have changed and he'd like to add his current viewpoint. Please help Longisland46 (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

We have no interest whatsoever in what the subject of an article wants included or excluded from their article. We are only interested in what reliable independent sources have already covered. Assuming "his current viewpoint" can be cited in reliable independent sources, this could be added, but his previous views need to remain as well. We are here to record such changes, not re-write history. Given that you have been asked to edit that page, you have a conflict of interest, so should not edit the page itself, but suggest changes on the articles talk page. Please read and follow our guidance on conflict of interest, in particular note that if you are proposing edits as part of your job, or are otherwise being paid, you need to disclose this on your User talk page. - Arjayay (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

uploaded some photos and now i can't find them

Hi, I uploaded some photos and then lost the links to insert them. how can i find them again?Lovingtheroots (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to these additions that you made at Commons? Commons works like en.wikipedia, go to the site here log in, if you are not already logged in, and click "Contributions" (one in from the RH end in the top line) - Arjayay (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Problem at Orders of magnitude (probability)

I just added probability entries from Orders of magnitude (numbers) and I am faced with a Example text messup. I tried to use both source and visual editing to fix it but I couldn't. I am trying to find an expert in the WikiField of charts and graphs who knows how to fix those kinds of problems. Hopefully there is someone at the Teahouse who could help fix the list chart. — Darth Tacker (talk • contribs) 23:01, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

@Darth Tracker: I think that fixed it. The issue was in the rowspan css being immediately followed by "|||" in the table formatting. But, to be honest, I was just guessing at the problem at first. Anyway, when applying css, you need to have a space between the first "|" and following "||". I first did this by using a newline, but changing it to "| ||" follows the format better. -- The Voidwalker ^Whispers 23:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

user name

Hi - I'm new, and am wondering if there is a way to change my user name? I'm currently Mirotvorets395, but just found out that Mirotvorets is the name of a Ukrainian website that does all sorts of dastardly things. I don't want to be associated with that. How do I change my name? I've only made one edit so far. Can you help me change my name? How about just "Lefty Coastal"? Is that possible? Thanks for any help. Mirotvorets395 (talk) 02:58, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Mirotvorets395: See Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Tropicalkitty (talk) 03:03, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

would like editorial commentary about a page I've put in Draft:

• Draft:Justin Cappos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• User:Kgberg/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have put a page in draft that I would like to take to wikipedia proper but want to make sure it passes muster. It is a page about a computer scientist of some note. I had made the mistake of being an overly optimistic beginner -- I'd thought that I merely had to create a page about him and hoist it into wikipedia. I ended up hoisting myself on my own petard with that effort. It was marked for deletion for a number of reasons. So I put it in dry-dock as a draft. After major fixes I feel it's ready to sail. Can I submit it here for comment before I make it live again?DKgberg (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

First, please do not create multiple copies of drafts on the same person or other topic. It wastes time and annoys the reviewers. Which version do you want reviewed, User:Kgberg/sandbox or Draft:Justin Cappos? If you want the sandbox draft reviewed, some reviewers would prefer to move it to draft space that is now occupied by a draft, so, if you don't want the version in draft space to be reviewed, you can request that it be deleted. Second, I will note, without reviewing your draft in detail, that both versions have numerous external links in the article body. They are not permitted. You may replace them with just names, or may make them into references, or may put them in an external links section. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:03, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Someone to reorganize the Text "Joelle Khoury", already published

• Joelle Khoury (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Draft:Joelle KHOURY (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• User:Musicleb/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, Is there any chance someone could reorganize the text "Joelle Khoury", to comply with Wikipedia's layout guidelines and to make improvements to the overall structure (division by sections, etc) ?

Thank you so much for your help.

Musicleb (talk) 08:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Musicleb, welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that you did a cut & paste move of your draft into article space, but the way it was done lost all of the formatting and included a considerable amount of inappropriate content (things like "[edit]", unlinked reference numbers, the table of contents as text, and multiple copies of the references but without their links, etc). I have tagged the main article for deletion, as it seems the easiest way to deal with this is to continue work on the draft until it is properly ready for publication. I have added the Articles for Creation draft header for it, so please proceed with the review process to properly prepare the article for publication. Once the review is accepted via AfC, it can be moved to the main article space in a way that properly preserves formatting. Thanks. Murph9000 (talk) 08:37, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Additionally, I'm not convinced that it meets our Wikipedia:Notability (music) standard in its current form. Please read that link and try to improve the draft so that the notability clearly meets Wikipedia's standards. Published articles which fail to meet the notability standard (with good references to reliable sources that support the notability) tend to get deleted quite quickly. Murph9000 (talk) 08:44, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Page up for speedy deletion- SOS

I need help with this speedy deletion notice i got. The page apparently reads like it's for promotion - but really i am only trying to document the existence of a new artistic form of expression. The page is: Zaphan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Xhosie (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Xhosie. Wikipedia is exactly the wrong place to document a new thing. Indeed, it is one of our major inclusion policies that, as an encyclopedia, which by its nature is a tertiary source that provides a survey of information already the subject of publication in the wider world, we do not contain entries on things that are not yet topics of knowledge by their previous publication by third parties. Please see Wikipedia:No original research.

Though the no original research policy directly invalidates the idea of using Wikipedia to first document a topic, multiple other fundamental policies and guidelines require sources to exist for an article on a topic to be warranted – including the verifiability policy (requiring all facts to be attributable to previously published, reliable sources) and the notability guideline (requiring that, for an article to be warranted, it be shown that the world has taken "note" of the topic by non-trivial publication about that topic in secondary and independent reliable sources).

For these reasons, please document this, but not at Wikipedia. If in the future it gains such treatment in sources, only then might it be suitable for a Wikipedia entry. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Next steps?

See also: Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 September 23 § Question from Gemnscout

• User:Gemnscout/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• User:Gemnscout/sandbox/gemnscout (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I posted a draft for edit in my sandbox, and was not clear on the feedback I received. I probably shouldn't have (rookie), but I posted a revised version yesterday that included improved formatting. Will I receive feedback on the second version, or has it been deleted? The draft was "Trust and Track".

Thank you, Gemnscout (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Gemnscout, welcome to the Teahouse. I am, again, slightly confused by your question. What feedback did you receive? Do you mean my response to your question at the Help Desk? The second sandbox page within your user space is not really a big deal, don't lose sleep over it, just try to avoid creating a huge number of pages there. You won't formally (i.e. from the official review process) receive feedback on either of those, as you have not submitted either of them for review. You may well get some feedback here, however. Murph9000 (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Sandbox to the Real World!

• User:Rhian Griffiths/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm working away in the sandbox, but at some point in a month or so I would like to move my sandbox work onto the main wiki pages, how do I go about doing that?Rhian Griffiths (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Rhian. Assuming you're using the default skin (Vector), click on "more" from the menu at the top of the page and then click on move. See File:Vector hidden move button.png for an illustration, and Wikipedia:Moving a page for lots of explanation.

As to the draft, I offer some hopefully constructive criticism. The draft launches into the topic without a lead section. That first part of an article introduces the subject, names it in boldface in the first sentence, and then summarizes the content of the article in three to four paragraphs. That should be added before a move to the mainspace.

Please make sure that, with the exception of short quotations, clearly marked as such using quote marks, followed directly by an inline citation, the article is entirely written in your own words – we cite sources to verify the information an article contains, but not the words or sentences used. Note that surface modification; changing a word here and word there from original content, is not sufficient to avoid copyright infringement. I say this because, though a quick look did not find large-scale copying, the first sentence blatantly infringes on Warfield Church's website content.

Finding that, I am compelled to wonder if other parts of the content are also copied (especially combined with seeing that 17,000 bytes of the content was added in a single edit). You might have just copied that one sentence and everything else is okay from a copyright standpoint, but please advise, and if you have copied, you need to remove all that material and completely rewrite in your own word.

If the copyright issue is put to bed, then I hope you can go through and rewrite content that contains promotional language. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, WP:PROMOTION, WP:PEACOCK, etc. The draft is not as egregious as some we see, but it still contains obviously promotional content. For instance, the draft states: "this extraordinary building that existed before the Battle of Hastings will undoubtedly be here to serve many generations to come" ... "St Michaels would soon become a venue for a range of exciting youth and children’s initiatives" ... "Revd Mark Griffiths had a passion for child evangelism" and so forth.

Lastly, much of the content is unsourced. Every single fact in an article must be able to be verified in a reliable source. (Wikipedia is never properly the place to first publish facts about anything; an encyclopedia synthesizes already published material.) It may be you are working on that, but please be aware of it and ruthlessly remove anything that you cannot source. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I have added a {{user sandbox}} template to the top of the draft. This means that rather than moving the page yourself to mainspace you can, if you wish, use the "Submit" button to submit the draft for review through the WP:AFC procedure. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this, it is really helpful. I will get to work on the changes you mentioned. Especially the lead section. Also it needs chopping up into sub sections with sub headings too. The reason for the large import of text was simply because I wrote it on publisher first intending to get it published as a booklet but have since reconsidered and wanted to put on wiki where edits can be made over time. The line on the website is indeed the same as the article, but the website has taken the line from a previous draft version of my article and not vice versa. I will take away the clearly emotive sections. And thanks for the extra link, I will submit the finished version that route ... although it's a long way from finished yet. Thank you again. Rhian Griffiths (talk) 15:03, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Update Plugin?

How do I get rid of the 'this page needs updating' box?

Thanks

142.219.14.33 (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. If you are seeing that as part of the page content, it is probably a standard article maintenance tag, which can't easily be hidden for unregistered users. Registered users could potentially hide them, but I would quite strongly discourage that, as they would not be seeing a true representation of the articles. Those notices must remain on the article until the issues they document are resolved. Does the box look something like the following?

If it is something else, like a popup from your browser, that is probably not something from Wikipedia. Which article/page are you seeing this on? Please can you give a more detailed description of exactly what you are seeing. Thanks.

Murph9000 (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Article Submission - Kumbakonam M Rajappa Iyer

• Kumbakonam M Rajappa Iyer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Draft:Kumbakonam M Rajappa Iyer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I would like to submit an article about a great musician whose Birth Centenary being celebrated during the first week of Oct. I have published the article yesterday but it was deleted. I have provided all the references in support of the article this time. I would like to know how to get the article published quickly?

Subaark (talk) 16:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You need to make the references inline citations, see Help:Referencing for beginners; that way readers will be able to see which parts of the text are supported by which reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

I have added citations from News Paper and saved it again. How to get the article published again? Subaark (talk) 16:36, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

No, you haven't saved any edits to your sandbox since before you asked your question here. Look at your contributions. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Sway Wiki Page

• Sway (musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I'm trying to edit Sway (musician) wiki page but, after several format issues and 'vandalism' errors (I assure you it was not vandalism but having difficulty in editing a wiki page) the page can only be edited by established registered users. I have since found references for most claims and would now like to update the wiki page. Can somebody help me do this please? Thanks Jessien23 (talk) 10:03, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jessien23, make a semi-protected edit request on the article talk page like you did yesterday. But explain more clearly what you want done: For eample, do you want to replace the existing lede paragraph with your new text? Also, insert your references into your text imediately after the statement that the reference verifies. Also add the title parameters as David Biddulph explained. —teb728 t c 00:04, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jessien23: Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that the article has been semi-protected because there have been repeated efforts to add massive amounts of unreferenced content to the article. Please be aware that our core content policy Verifiability requires that our articles be based on summarizing what reliable third party independent sources say about the topic, and that those sources be referenced. We do not allow original research. Please be sure that you comply with these core policies going forward. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Can I add an image to a Wikipedia Celebrity Page?

• Neha Mahajan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Its been 4 days since I created a Wiki account and have done 10 edits so far. Can I now add an image in the main description of a celebrity page?

If yes, how to do it?

If no, why can't I do it and what should be done?

I would provide the source of the image while uploading it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyEditor7781 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@CrazyEditor7781: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your comment that you would provide the source of the image implies that you are not the source yourself. In other words, you did not take the photo. You cannot upload any image of a living person such as a celebrity unless you have solid evidence in writing that the image has been released under an acceptable Creative Commons or equivalent license, or that the image is free of copyright. The vast majority of images that you find online are restricted by copyright and not allowed on Wikipedia.

If I am wrong and you took the photo yourself, then I apologize and you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons under an acceptable license.

You cannot upload images of living celebrities unless they meet our licensing standards because we are a free encyclopedia and we allow the widest possible free re-use of our content. Widespread use of copyrighted images is incompatible with that goal. As for what should be done, there are several choices: You can take a photo yourself and upload it as I described. You can find a photo that complies with our policies. You can decide to live with the lack of a photo. The choice is yours. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 09:11, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

CrazyEditor7781: this depends on the copyright status of the image. Is there a particular image you want to use? If there is, where is it at present? Maproom (talk) 09:04, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi CrazyEditor7781. Unfortunately the files you uploaded of Neha Mahajan are not allowed under non-free content criterion no. 1 of Wikipedia's non-free content policy, so that have been nominated for speedy deletion as replaceable fair use. Copyrighted images can only be used on Wikipedia under very specific circumstances. As Cullen328 pointed out above, the Wikipedia community has decided that copyrighted images of living individuals are almost never allowed as explained in WP:FREER. Mahajan is still living and still seems to be active as an actress so it is possible that a freely licensed image of her already exists somewhere online. Even if such an image does not currently exist, it's not unreasonable to expect that such an image can be created by someone in the future. You can makes a request at Wikimedia Commons Picture Requests or at Wikipedia Requested Pictures to see if someone can find or create a freely licensed image of Mahajan for use in the article, but you shouldn't upload any more images of her you find online unless you are absolutely sure it has been released under a free license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit not reflecting - Deepak Chopra wikipage

• Deepak Chopra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi, I edited the Books section on Deepak Chopra's Wikipedia page by adding info about a new book 'Radical Beauty' released by him in September. I did this on 23rd September'16 and even gave the ISBN number for verifying this. Initially, I got a message saying 'Approval pending'. Now there is no message and yet the edit is not reflecting on the said page. Why has my edit not been approved? Please help. Zenlife (talk) 06:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Zenlife: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit was reverted by JzG with the edit summary "As soon as there is independent evidence of its significance, we'll include it. Wikipedia is not Chopra's storefront." It seems that the editor saw your addition as promotional. If you can reference, for example, an independent review of the book in a reliable source, then perhaps your edit will be accepted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:30, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thank you for your help. Yes, I will add a reference to a review of the book. Zenlife (talk) 07:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Zenlife, Jzg's response seems good to me, but please understand that just because they reverted your edit does not automatically mean that they are right and you are wrong. This is part of the way Wikipedia is supposed to work: somebody makes a change that they think is an improvement, and somebody else disagrees and reverts it. One response is, as you are now saying, "Yes, I see that, I'll do it better". Another is to say "No, I think this is a good change, because ... " and start a discussion on the article's talk page. Please read about the bold. --ColinFine (talk) 07:53, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Yes, I am still learning the ropes of contributing to Wikipedia. Your input is much appreciated. Zenlife (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

pitcher plant

what is the function of pitcher plant(39.48.121.249 (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. This page is primarily for new editors asking questions and seeking help with editing Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, please try the Wikipedia:Reference desk, although you may find your questions are answered by our article on pitcher plants. Murph9000 (talk) 14:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Submitting a translation for an article

So I came across this article in Catalonian Wikipedia and I wish to translate it to English. How do I do so? Write a separate, new article in English and then link it to that page under Languages in the sidebar? Cheers Ramthecowy (talk) 14:06, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Ramthecowy, welcome to the Teahouse. Please have a look at Wikipedia:Translation, which may answer most of your questions. Copyright licensing and attribution is one of the most important aspects, so please be sure to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia § Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. If anything is unclear, or you need any more information, please do ask. Murph9000 (talk) 14:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance, Murph9000. Ramthecowy (talk) 14:42, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Template issue

Hi, Template:Essex does not appear in Category:Essex templates, I suspect the issue is caused by misplaced noinclude commands at the end, can someone fix ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, GrahamHardy, welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for reporting that. I have made a quick fix which should address the issue. Murph9000 (talk) 15:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Can I create a page and leave it and come back?

I want to make a wiki page about the professional Rugby League club the Dungowan Cowboys, as I have noticed the North Tamworth bears have a page. Everytime I try to make it someone deletes it because i'm leaving it and coming back. Can I put it on some list so I can come back and edit it later?

Thanks! JakobtheDaddy (talk) 13:05, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, JakobtheDaddy. The best thing to do is create a draft article via Wikipedia:Articles for creation, and then you can work on it as and when you have time, until it is ready to be moved into the main article space. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

On second thoughts, if you are trying to write a hoax article, which File:Jake playing for new zealand.png suggests is the case, then don't bother. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

But please start by studying Your first article, JakobtheDaddy, and consider carefully the material on notability. North Tamworth Bears is not a model you should be following: it is essentially unsourced, and unless somebody finds the independent reliable sources that are needed to establish that the club is notable, it is likely to get deleted. People assume (reasonably) that the way to write an article is to write what you know about the subject. It isn't. The way to write a good article is to find reliable published sources which are truly independent of the subject, forget what you know about the subject, and write an article based on the sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect interwicki link

Hi Nour El Houda Bouregua is linked to the wrong French article (and vice-versa), can someone unlink ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 21:09, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for calling this to our attention, GrahamHardy. I have unlinked them. —teb728 t c 21:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Italics in section header

I am adding a section header to an article with foreign words in it. Is it conventional or allowed to use italics in a section header? Thanks.S Khemadhammo (talk) 20:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi S Khemadhammo. I took a look at MOS:ITALICS and MOS:SECTIONS, and AFAICT neither says anything either way. I then tried a search and the results I'll post below but I think based on this round up, it looks okay to do so: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Headings/Archive#Italics in section headers (the problem it indicates is something to consider but that discussion's from 2006 so it might be fixed); Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 116#Italics in section headings; Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 June 17#Italics in section headings?; and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Baden-Powell House/archive01 ("Also, don't be afraid to use italics in section headings where appropriate"). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Great, Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for the efforts! Very helpful.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 22:02, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

how to add content directory page

hello, I am ver new to this but i have a passion in writing about up and coming basketball players whether overseas or nba! i am trying to write my first article and its a little more complex than i imagined but i don't want to give up! any suggestions on how to add a content directory on the side with a picture? Tamclendon (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tamclendon, welcome to the Teahouse. It's called an infobox. See Help:Infobox for general help. A basketball player can use {{Infobox basketball biography}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, Tamclendon, writing a new article that is accepted is hard, and I wish so many people didn't plunge straight into this difficult task as soon as they signed up. The thing you are asking about is called an WP:infobox, but that is the icing on the cake, first you need to write an article in a way that will be accepted. This means that the fist thing you do, before you ever even think about writing an article, is to find reliable published sources that have no connection with the subject. Please read and follow Your first article . --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

But if you find such a source, cite it as a reference and don't copy the whole source verbatim. If you do the latter, the article is likely to be deleted as a copyright violation. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Tamclendon: Hello. If you want to write biographies of such athletes, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for basketball players. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Draft:ATMIA

• Draft:ATMIA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I reviewed Draft:ATMIA, which has become Very Old, and left the comment to remove “New Article Content”. A previous reviewer had advised not resubmitting the draft. I neither accepted nor declined. It appears to me that the draft, first, is partly about the industry as well as about the association, and, second, has a promotional tone. I also now see that it has redlinks; maybe I should have commented on that. I would also like to ask whether the author has an affiliation with the trade association. Do experienced editors have comments on the draft? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I've made some improvements to the draft – mainly, removing material (content that was not spefically about the subject; a long list of members; a list of divisions). There's plenty of room for more improvements, the non-independent sources in the ref list need pruning. Once it's been tidied up, it may be easier to judge whether it warrants article status. Maproom (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Editing

I have edited some tamil scripts with proven summary but someone removed it how can i solve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adith03 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Adith03. I've only looked at three of your edits, but each of those was reverted by Mean as custard with a summary "Revert uncited changes" or similar. If you are going to add material - especially material which might be seen as controversial - you must cite a reliable published source. Please see Referencing for beginners.

I also see that in one case you undid Mean as custard's reversion. This is called "edit warring" and is not allowed. Once somebody has reverted your change, if you wish to take the matter further you must discuss it with them. See BRD. --ColinFine (talk)

Create a wiki

I need to create an wiki website without MediaWiki installed. GXXF T • C 17:31, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, GXXF, welcome to the Teahouse. This page is primarily for new or less experienced editors to ask questions and seek help about editing English Wikipedia, so your question seems to be off-topic. The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF, who provide the Wikipedia servers and own the trademark) does not provide hosting for miscellaneous wikis, only those within the scope of its various projects. From the limited information you have given, I believe you need either one of the various wiki hosting providers, or a general server hosting provider. We can't help with non-WMF servers. You can find general information about the MediaWiki software on the MediaWiki site, which is also the appropriate place to ask any questions about MediaWiki itself (that are not directly related to Wikipedia / Wikimedia). If your project is something that should be hosted by WMF, we can probably point you in the right direction to contact them about it. Please don't ask for advice on choosing a hosting provider here, or for things related to a non-WMF wiki, as it's the wrong venue for those questions and any advice given may be incorrect. It's also the wrong place for general MediaWiki or WMF questions, but that would at least be something where we could maybe point you to the correct place, if we know exactly what you are looking for. Murph9000 (talk) 18:25, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Stone Tower and question about primary name

• Stone Tower, Xinjiang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Draft:Stone Tower (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Draft:Stone Tower (Ptolemy) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I reviewed Draft:Stone Tower, and commented that the author should provide more information about why the stone tower is historically important. The author expanded the draft with an explanation. I also commented that the draft had placeholders, which the author has addressed. The author has asked me whether I will approve the draft now. I would like the comments of other experienced editors. I would also like comments on a naming issue. There is already an article Stone Tower, which is about an album. Either the current article or the draft article needs to have its title disambiguated, and the article with the primary title needs a hatnote. I would prefer to give the primary title to the subject that has been the subject of speculation for more than a thousand years, but that is my opinion. However, if I rename the current article, I will need to rename any articles that point to it. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I would be inclined to accept the draft – but I'm biased in favour of geographic subjects. I've made some minor edits to it. For the article name, I suggest "Ptolemy's Stone Tower" or "Stone Tower (Ptolemy)". Maproom (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I've added a link to the main Silk Road article in the prose, which should help provide context. A {{Location map+}} might be an idea, showing the locations mentioned in the prose, if those templates have a suitable map image for the purpose. As far as naming, Stone Tower (Silk Road) might be another possibility. The primary name should probably be the subject with greatest current notability, and I'm not quite certain which that is. Murph9000 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

There's also the existing redirect at Stone Tower, Xinjiang, which is for one of the tower's likely locations. Some consideration should possibly be given to where that points to as well. It currently links to a small amount of information on that one location, some of which may be useful for this draft. Murph9000 (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

My preference would be to accept it as Stone Tower (Ptolemy). I have requested that its author tag Draft:Stone Tower (Ptolemy) for deletion so that Draft:Stone Tower can be moved over it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:53, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I accepted it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:59, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Question About Specific and General Notability Guidelines

• Draft:Angie Craig (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have a general question about specific notability guidelines and general notability. I reviewed Draft:Angie Craig and declined it for two reasons. First, the article is non-neutral and reads like an endorsement of Craig. Second, she doesn’t satisfy political notability guidelines because she isn’t a member of the US House of Representatives (a national legislature), only a candidate for the House of Representatives. Although the reason for my decline was tone, my question has to do with notability. My question is whether it is reasonable to use a strict standard of general notability guidelines when there is a specific notability guideline that the subject doesn’t meet, such as candidates for offices or college athletes (who haven’t played professionally) or whatever. In the specific case, I didn’t have to worry about whether the press coverage of Craig’s campaign warranted inclusion, because I could decline for tone reasons, but my question goes beyond her to candidates in general, college athletes, uncharted bands, et cetera. What do other experienced editors think? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Robert, if she meets the general criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (people), I believe that would qualify her for inclusion even if her political career does not yet qualify. I believe that one should be used in preference to GNG (but obviously something which clearly qualifies under GNG is probably worthy of inclusion). I don't know for certain, but the obvious answer seems that it should be clearly meeting any reasonably relevant notability criteria, even if the more specific ones are not met. Think of it another way, if there was a prominent business / celebrity / sports / etc person with an existing article that clearly meets notability, we would not delete that article when they were elected to an office excluded under the politician criteria. I don't know if she qualifies in that way, but it could be a valid reason for inclusion. We shouldn't really care precisely how they achieve notability, only that it demonstrably and verifiably exists and clearly meets one or more of our various criteria (just my interpretation, however, which could be wrong). Obviously it still needs converting from adverticle to article. Murph9000 (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: My general rule of thumb is that unless a political candidate was notable for other reasons before entering a race, then that person should be covered in a neutral article about the political campaign rather than in a freestanding biography. That seems to be the common outcome in deletion debates about similar articles. In this case, the appropriate article is United States House of Representatives elections in Minnesota, 2016#District 2. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:18, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with Cullen on that. A paragraph or two in existing articles may be more appropriate, unless they do something to achieve probable long lasting notoriety (or similar). Murph9000 (talk) 19:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Bilderberg Org

We need to expose the Bilderberg Org as far and wide as possible. (Redacted)

I may not have much of an intelligence, but I am not dumb, as I think on a different level, so I see things differently than intelligent people; I have different glasses I can see through.68.134.99.9 (talk) 22:25, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, IP user, "exposing things as wide as possible" is not among the functions of Wikipedia, and nor is soapboxing, irrespective of the merits of the cause. --ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Working with the Wikipedia Library

I'm having difficulty with navigating the help screens regarding open access portals. Is this the only list? I recently came across a few that aren't included here and I'd like to suggest adding them. What's the best way to do that? Thanks. Kekki1978 (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Ivan Drago Petrovich

hi will you please help me with the article of ivandragopetrovich — Preceding unsigned comment added by IAN12345 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IAN12345. It is unfortunate that, like many people, you have registered with Wikipedia, and immediately tried one of the most difficult tasks there is in Wikipedia: creating a new article. Please read Your first article carefully. Among its point, you will see:

• Notability: only topics which have already been written about extensively by independent people are suitable subjects for Wikipedia articles. Sports people who have not yet debuted are very unlikely to meet that criterion yet. Please see TOOSOON.
• Sources: a Wikipedia article should be based nearly completely on what people who have no connection with the subject have published about the subject. If you can't find a reliable published source for some information, don't put it in a Wikipedia article.

If you can find sources, (which must be reliable, so no social media or blogs, substantial, so not just a listing, and independent, so nothing written or published by Petrov or his associates, or based on an interview or press release) then it might be worth writing an article, and you can ask for somebody to move your draft to Draft space so you can work on it. If you can't find such sources, then I suggest you give up. It may be that in a year or two he meets the criteria for notabillity, and then somebody can write an article on him. --ColinFine (talk) 19:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

See also the advice at User talk:IVANDRAGOPETROVICH. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:33, 2 October 2016 (UTC)