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June 15

Are these part of UK?

Are UK overseas territories, such as Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands and Pitcairn part of the United Kingdom, like Martinique, Guadeloupe, Reunion, Mayotte and French Guiana are part of France? I don't like that the flags of the five aforementioned French overseas departements have no official status, unlike UK overseas territories flags. Are there any instances of French overseas departments' flags shown with theeitories' names in English Wikipedia rather than French flag. I also don't like that the overseas departements are too closely tied with France. --40bus (talk) 20:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@40bus: The difference is in your post, overseas territories versus overseas departments. Overseas departments and regions of France says: "They have exactly the same status as mainland France's regions and departments." It's like Hawaii which is one of 50 US states with exactly the same status as the 49 mainland states. A French overseas collectivity has a different status. The British Overseas Territories "do not form part of the United Kingdom itself". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Since the OP doesn't like it, where should they go to complain? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:16, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The government of France. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't like that the residents of UK overseas territories are not allowed to vote in the UK general elections and cannot freely relocate to Great Britain and take a job there. The residents of the overseas regions of France can vote in the legislative elections in France and can freely move to mainland France.  --Lambiam 09:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Since 2002 almost all British Overseas Territories citizen also hold British citizenship and so do have the right to live and work in the UK. The right is not, however, reciprocal. DuncanHill (talk) 09:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The advantage of the British over the French system is that territories can decide to become independant whenever they want; for example Belize which was granted independence in 1981. Gibraltar is a special case; it can only choose to remain British or be returned to Spain because of the terms of the Treaty of Utrecht (in a 2002 referendum, 99% of Gibraltarians voted to stay British). Alansplodge (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)