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editWP commemorative logos
editIn addition to the "regular" logos, have there been commemorative logos here on ENWP, such as 10th anniversary? Eat me, I'm a red bean (t • c) 09:52, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia logos has the history of Wikipedia's logos, including commemorative designs. --Jayron32 12:49, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Naturism and perceptions
editThe question cannot be properly answered. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:02, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
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If humans develop pill(s) that results in manageable penile erections, definitive internal hygiene and weight management, will it result in a plummeting of societal objection to public nudity? Or do other notable objections exist? 78.144.241.217 (talk) 11:43, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Cheapest way to travel?
editIs there a way to hitch hike commercial shipping vessels for cheap transport? The airfares to the US are ridiculous and I don't mind if the journey takes a little bit longer. Any idea of prices?
What about the rest of the world too, not just the US. Seeing as I'm on an island I need to consider ships to get to pretty much anywhere if you exclude the tunnel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.27.47 (talk) 21:31, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- These FAQ seem to answer your questions. E.g. "American flagged freighters don't carry passengers. Foreign flagged ships are prevented by U.S. law from carrying cargo/passengers between U.S. Ports." and "How much does it cost? Between $65-$125 U.S. per day." Or you can just search for "freighter passenger". Clarityfiend (talk) 21:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- I assume you're in the UK? As a quasi-random sample, I'm in the U.S., and Expedia quotes me round-trip economy class tickets from London to NYC for under US$700. I'm not sure if there are differences in taxes and stuff for a UK resident, but I can't imagine they'd be that significant. It looks like the cheapest LA-NYC round-trip tickets clock in at under US$300. There's also Amtrak or bus travel. If you can't afford to outlay at least US$1500-2000 it probably isn't really a good idea to go traveling. The above site confirms what I thought, that freighter travel is more expensive than economy airfare. There's more cost for food, insurance, etc., and you're not making up for any of it with labor like the crew are. With commercial air travel, the costs are spread out among all the passengers, and airlines have become quite good at squeezing the maximum number of passengers onto a flight. As far as other destinations go, you can travel clear across Eurasia by train, though I don't know what the cost is. --71.119.131.184 (talk) 06:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- The airlines go to slave ship: [1]. Note the illustration halfway down. They don't even save much space but, hey, at least they gain one extra middle seat on one row. So get a libertarian government and this'll happen, emergency exit safety be damned. Sure, [[|Ryanair|Ryanair Hyper-budget class®]] could save even more space by copying capsule hotels with (windowless?) sardine pods with soundproofing but that'd be too humane. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- A quick search finds flights from London to New York for £400 so I don't think things are that different. Anyway, bear in mind, in many developed countries if you show up and immigration finds you don't have enough to support yourself for your expected duration of stay nor is there anyone who's supporting you, you'll probably quickly find yourself on a flight (or whatever) back to your home country. I would suggest at least £12 per day, and it can easily be much more depending on the country. See e.g. [2] [3]. (You probably should aim for significantly more than £12 per day for something like the US. Although I couldn't find any guidelines from the US, despite it being a specific part of the process for those who have to apply for a visa.) Point being, similar to something 71 said, unless it's a very short trip, which would be a waste for somewhere far away, if you can't afford the airfare, I'm not sure if you can afford the trip. Nil Einne (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- No commercial vessel is going to allow you to hitchhike (get a free lift) to the United States, because they would have to cover the cost of providing you with space and sanitary facilities, if not food, for a voyage of a week or more (assuming you are in the UK, as your question implies). Also, you are unknown to them, and it would be a substantial risk to have you aboard for the entire voyage. You could try to stow away, but that would be dangerous and illegal. Ships arriving from foreign ports are inspected by U.S. immigration agents. Any persons arriving on those ships who lack citizenship or legal residency status in the United States will be required to show evidence that they have purchased a ticket for travel out of the United States before the legal limit for their stay (that limit is 90 days for most UK citizens unless they have obtained a visa for a longer stay). As others have said, they will also be required to show evidence that they can cover the costs of their intended stay. If you step off a freighter looking hungry and poor, immigration officials could demand evidence such as bank statements. I would think that they would expect you to have at least $150 (about £100) per day, as the cost of accommodation alone in many parts of the United States is $100 per night or more. Marco polo (talk) 18:51, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- In my ex-wife's mis-spent youth, she signed on as cabin staff on a transatlantic freighter with minimal qualifications - did cooking & cleaning work on board. She was actually paid to make the trip (but not much!). Perhaps that's an approach that's worth considering here. SteveBaker (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- What? No one mentioned simply jumping in the air and having the Earth rotate from under oneself (231.5 m/s at 60° latitude)?Asmrulz (talk) 01:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Door to door art scam
edithello
my question is about the article: art student scam.
my name is Dina and i am an artist and designer. i have graduated my first degree in visual communication in jerusalem.
i promote and sell commercial art door to door.
i am from israel.
in the past years people have been selling this commercial art by saying it's their own art/for charity and etc.
now, we are doing it in a legitimate way, which means we tell people it's commercial art, that there is more then one (the artist paints the same concept several times), and the origin of the paintings (we buy them from a large art dealer that provides paintings for galleries).
we say that the paintings have been done inside studios and the artists are already paid for their work.
in the article, it says that the art is basically prints (not true and misleading), that the people involved are not artists (me and my friends are).
in fact, no matter we do to be legitimate, once people type in google "art door to door" they immediately see "scam". that, puts me in a place of a criminal which i'm not.
what bothers me the most is the fact that it says that it's prints (artists in studios work very hard to create those paintings).
i tried to put a discussion in the articles talk page, but the author erased my comment. (asked to change the part with the prints and seen other people say the same thing but it's still there).
what can i do? can i change it myself? i don't have the best writing skills in english.
it's damaging my work...
thank you, Dina (86.3.196.138 (talk) 22:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC))
- I don't see how you can do anything about the article. There are art scams. The fact that there are people selling art door-to-door legitimately has no bearing on that. Also, your talk page comments were probably deleted because you included a link to your portfolio. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- I've reverted the deletion of your talk page comments. They are a totally legitimate contribution to the debate on the content of the article, which is exactly what the talk page is for. --Viennese Waltz 07:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- This is not what you're asking about, but it might help if you could create a web page that describes your legitimate business activities, and includes real contact info for some of the people associated with the business. If you put "art door to door" or "art student sales" etc. on the page, it might even start to come up in people's searches! You can't remove our article on art student scam, but you can create your own web presence to help your business. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
use of images
editWe are a community group in Papua New Guinea creating a interactive dictionary of our language (Roro/Waima) with volunteers (i.e. no funding). It is good if we can illustrate our entries and we find great images in Wikipedia. For instance, we would like to use: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Catfish#/media/File:Ameiurus_melas_by_Duane_Raver.png in our entry for ne'u which is our name for catfish. There will be other images that would be helpful to use. We are happy to acknowledge the source of images. We are asking for permission to use images we find on Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Please advise how we go about obtaining permission - do we need to do it each time or just advise you periodically of images that we want to use? Your advice would be appreciated. Maeaka Tohana Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maeaka Tohana (talk • contribs) 23:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hello, @Maeaka Tohana: thanks for stopping by. Wikipedia content (images and text) is dual licensed under GFDL and CC-BY-SA which does not require permission for reuse, but does require proper attribution. Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content covers how to properly attribute Wikipedia content you intend to reuse. If you do intend to reuse images posted at Wikipedia, please pay attention to the licensing and location of each image. Some images (mostly those hosted locally here at en.wikipedia) are NOT licensed for reuse, but are instead being used under the fair-use doctrine; these images are rare and only represent a small proportion of images you find at Wikipedia, still you want to check every image page (found by clicking the image directly) to make sure it is under a free license. The vast majority of images at Wikipedia are copyleft-licensed under CC-BY-SA and GFDL and are hosted at Wikimedia Commons, the media hosting arm of the Wikimedia Foundation, the parent organization of all Wikipedias. Please read Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content carefully, and check each image licence page by clicking on each image. As long as you follow the rules, and stay clear of the few images which are not under the correct license, you're free to reuse content with attribution. If you have any more detailed questions, The Media Copyright Question page is a good place to ask volunteer experts in copyright policy. Hope this was helpful! --Jayron32 01:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Note that only text has to be dual licenced under the CC BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL [4]. Images on wikipedia that aren't NFCC, and any on commons can have any suitable free licence (or require no licence i.e. in the public domain or equivalent). I think single licenced under some CC licence is the most common, probably followed by images which don't require a licence. The later is actually something of a winkle, particularly if the image is on wikipedia and not commons, because it's always possible that the image requires a licence where you live, even if it doesn't in the US. (Of course there's often also some small risk that the image is incorrectly tagged and isn't actually under a free licence or requires no licence.) BTW, if http://maeakatohana.com is your website, it seems to have problems. Nil Einne (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- I just spot checked 5 images at commons. 1 was public domain, and four were CC-BY-SA. So, experimentally, it holds. Plus, I'm not entirely certain why you take a tone that disagrees with my advise, and then goes on to agree with everything I said. What I advised him to do was check each license, and comply by it. I also told him that locally-hosted images were likely under fair-use claims. So, basically everything you said, before you said it. --Jayron32 19:11, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Because I'm not agreeing with what you said? Your general advice on what to do was good advice and I agree with and am glad you provided it to the OP. But IMO some of your claims about licensing were not, so I wanted to clarify them. For example:
Wikipedia content (images and text) is dual licensed under GFDL and CC-BY-SA which does not require permission for reuse, but does require proper attribution
The vast majority of images at Wikipedia are copyleft-licensed under CC-BY-SA and GFDL and are hosted at Wikimedia Commons, the media hosting arm of the Wikimedia Foundation, the parent organization of all Wikipedias
- Not true, as I explained. Text from our contributors is dual licenced. (In terms of the rest of text, a small amount will be CC only if copied from somewhere with such a licence, public domain if copied from such a source, NFCC if copied from somewhere without a CC licence which isn't in the public domain, or unwanted copyvio content.)
Images don't have to be dual licenced. They don't even have to use either of these licences. I believe, although I admit I don't have good evidence that most images are probably singly licenced under the CC, followed by public domain i.e. content that doesn't need a licence. (I'm not even sure if GFDL or dual licence CC + GFDL is the next most common in terms of licencing.)
- Also, there were parts of my comment which you didn't touch on, but I felt were important for the OP to understand. For example, the possibility of incorrectly tagged images. The possibility of images which aren't NFCC, but which the OP may not be able to use because these images are only public domain, in the US.
- The OP would hopefully have learnt about these if they read the appropriate pages as you suggested to them. But then they would have hopefully also learnt about the other stuff, like the existence of NFCC images. Or the attribution requirement for many but not all images (even those which are licenced). You felt these were important to emphasise (and I agree with NFCC), I felt additional things were.
- Nil Einne (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'll also mentioned I felt the attribution part wasn't ideal, but not worth clarifying. While you did say to "check each image licence page" and "follow the rules" and later to seek clarification where needed, the only real rule you emphasised to follow was that of attribution.
Although this isn't such a big deal for an interactive project, for certain content the requirement to include a full copy of the licence can actually be more problematic. For example, it's generally suggested if you're following a GFDL licence of an image, you have to print a copy of the licence along with the image wherever you include it. You can't simply include a pamphlet with the licence or something like that. This creates problems when using the image on a shirt, or worse a cup. See e.g. Commons:Commons:Requests for comment/AppropriatelyLicensed/FAQ#What is Commons current policy on GFDL and other licences inappropriate for images? & Commons:Commons:Requests for comment/AppropriatelyLicensed#Where would this lead us to? for some discussion.
The sharealike/copyleft requirement is another one that can create problems for some. And I'm not familiar enough with all the acceptable licences for images to comment on whether there are other issues that could crop up.
I didn't mention these because for the OP I didn't think they mattered that much. But I still don't think attribution is the primary rule the OP has to follow, they have to follow all the licence requirements and even for a use case like the OP, all of these can be equally onerous (i.e. not much but still have to be followed).
This isn't a completely theoretical issue either, some more traditional media still seem to have problems understanding free licences. And so they do stuff like attribute the person, or worse wikipedia but otherwise fail to follow the licence (e.g. have no indication the image is licenced under whatever licence for licences that require it). It's possible some of these are actually fine, and the person was contacted privately and agree to allow usage of the image in that fashion. It's also possible in some cases that the copyright holder doesn't actually care even if they weren't contacted, which is their choice. But from comments of at least some uploaders, I'm pretty sure it's not always the case. (I also expect many uploaders will want to be personally attributed rather than wikipedia if they agree to seperate licencing terms.)
- Nil Einne (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'll also mentioned I felt the attribution part wasn't ideal, but not worth clarifying. While you did say to "check each image licence page" and "follow the rules" and later to seek clarification where needed, the only real rule you emphasised to follow was that of attribution.
- I just spot checked 5 images at commons. 1 was public domain, and four were CC-BY-SA. So, experimentally, it holds. Plus, I'm not entirely certain why you take a tone that disagrees with my advise, and then goes on to agree with everything I said. What I advised him to do was check each license, and comply by it. I also told him that locally-hosted images were likely under fair-use claims. So, basically everything you said, before you said it. --Jayron32 19:11, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- One very important thing to know is that some images on Wikipedia are NOT free for use under any license. Some are used here under the "Fair Use" exemption of the copyright laws - which allow you to use an image that is most certainly not free under certain very special, very particular situations that tend to apply here.
- HOWEVER, the WikiCommons site (which hosts a lot of Wikipedia's content) DOES NOT accept "Fair Use" images - so using things from WikiCommons should always be OK providing you attribute the image correctly and accept whatever free licensing terms (if any) apply. Be VERY careful about images that are only on Wikipedia and NOT on WikiCommons because the main reason they haven't been moved over to commons is because of fair-use copyright status.
- ALSO, note that both WikiCommons and Wikipedia are hosted in the USA and abide by US copyright laws. Elsewhere in the world, you may find that you have different laws, which might allow you to use images that wouldn't otherwise be allowed - and might prevent you from using other images that are perfectly acceptable under US laws.
- Just to clarify, when Steve says "WikiCommons", that's short for Wikimedia Commons, mentioned by Jayron. --65.94.50.17 (talk) 23:27, 3 September 2015 (UTC)