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editMelik Izeddin?
editDoes the Melik Izeddin mentioned here [1] have a WP-article under some name? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently not. See Halime Hatun#Gevaş tomb, where the mention of Melik Izeddin is unlinked. From that article, one gets the impression that Halime and Melik may be more legendary than real. Deor (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- The spelling "İzzeddin" with a double "z" is more likely for a Turkish spelling of the Arabic name Izz ad-Din, and "İzzettin" is another possibility. There has been a Saltukid sultan by that name, called Saltuk II here as if "Saltuk" was a given name, but he died long before the Gevaş tomb was built.
- Deor, it's a little funny you mentioned that section since I added it today. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Melik sort of means 'ruler'. See that article for more. Nanonic (talk) 17:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently the statement that the tomb was constructed in 1335 [other sources have 1358] by Melik İzzeddin for his daughter Halime Hatun is found on a carved inscription over the entrance door. That makes it likely they were real people, who may have left no other impression on the historical record. Lonely Planet reports that Halime was a Karakoyunlu; it is not clear what this is based on; this source – only a snippet – in fact doubts it. --Lambiam 00:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Lambiam, page 171 in this book [2] seems a decent source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- If the Thuluth inscription has ʿAbd al-Malik ʿIzz al-Dīn, it is more reasonable to render the father's name either as that, or in modern Turkish transliteration as Abdülmelik İzzeddin (as indeed many sources appear to have). --Lambiam 09:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- And your comment is at the top of those many sources :D Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- If the Thuluth inscription has ʿAbd al-Malik ʿIzz al-Dīn, it is more reasonable to render the father's name either as that, or in modern Turkish transliteration as Abdülmelik İzzeddin (as indeed many sources appear to have). --Lambiam 09:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Lambiam, page 171 in this book [2] seems a decent source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently the statement that the tomb was constructed in 1335 [other sources have 1358] by Melik İzzeddin for his daughter Halime Hatun is found on a carved inscription over the entrance door. That makes it likely they were real people, who may have left no other impression on the historical record. Lonely Planet reports that Halime was a Karakoyunlu; it is not clear what this is based on; this source – only a snippet – in fact doubts it. --Lambiam 00:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)