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Why my previous subject title "native Americans in the Western hemisphere" was erased? Also my allegations were not erroneous--AlverichA (talk) 15:05, 3 May 2019 (UTC) |
Are there any neo-nazis who are not Holocaust deniers?
editThat's what I would expect by reading this. Apokrif (talk) 23:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
- Among the world's diverse population, individuals with virtually any combination of beliefs and opinions are likely. —2606:A000:1126:28D:4047:2606:D786:F48A (talk) 04:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe, if they're proud of it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, there's LOTS of them out there that will tell you that the 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust was "a good start". --Khajidha (talk) 18:19, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Somewhat by definition, some (yes, citation needed) neo-nazis are antisemites who regard Jews (and other selected ethnicities) as subhuman. As such, the holocaust / shoa may be regarded by those as having been beneficial to the concept of white supremacy / the master race. It has been just a simple example of social Darwinism. Slightly unpleasant, but necessary for the survival of the fittest (race). --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- There term "Holocaust denier" is not as simple as you likely want it to be. If a person claims that the Holocaust never happened, then they are a Holocaust denier. If a person believes it did happen, but it was much much smaller than what is commonly claimed, they are a Holocaust denier. If a person believes that it happened, it was big, but it didn't focus primarily on Jewish people, they are a Holocaust denier. Basically, if you question anything at all about the Holocaust, you are a Holocaust denier. If you point out that the term "Holocaust denier" is too broad a term to make much sense, others will be quick to declare that you are a Holocaust denier without asking what you believe. So, if you are sympathetic towards Nazis in any way, you are likely a Holocaust denier by someone's definition. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 00:08, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- If you claim that the Holocaust happened but was much smaller than it actually was, then you're not a Holocaust denier but rather a Holocaust minimizer. Futurist110 (talk) 01:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- As if a number less than 6 million would somehow be morally better. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:29, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I mean, the Holocaust was so extreme that in a hypothetical scenario where its number of victims would have been two or four or six times smaller, it would have still been condemned as the worst atrocity to ever befall the Jewish people! In real life, there were about one thousand times more Jews murdered in the Holocaust than there were Blacks who were murdered as a result of Jim Crow (specifically through lynchings). That's right--the Holocaust was literally a thousand times worse than Jim Crow was--and Jim Crow was extremely awful! Futurist110 (talk) 01:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Jim Crow was awful, but it (including the lynchings here and there) was aimed at subjugating black people, not wiping them out. A better comparison from US history might be the Indian massacres. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- AFAIK, even with the Indian massacres, the US government never aimed to completely exterminate Native Americans; rather, AFAIK, it simply wanted to remove them from their land so that Whites could settle on it. Futurist110 (talk) 01:16, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Jim Crow was awful, but it (including the lynchings here and there) was aimed at subjugating black people, not wiping them out. A better comparison from US history might be the Indian massacres. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I mean, the Holocaust was so extreme that in a hypothetical scenario where its number of victims would have been two or four or six times smaller, it would have still been condemned as the worst atrocity to ever befall the Jewish people! In real life, there were about one thousand times more Jews murdered in the Holocaust than there were Blacks who were murdered as a result of Jim Crow (specifically through lynchings). That's right--the Holocaust was literally a thousand times worse than Jim Crow was--and Jim Crow was extremely awful! Futurist110 (talk) 01:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- As if a number less than 6 million would somehow be morally better. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:29, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- If you claim that the Holocaust happened but was much smaller than it actually was, then you're not a Holocaust denier but rather a Holocaust minimizer. Futurist110 (talk) 01:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sure there are some neo-nazis who far from seeking to deny the holocaust, would express glee about it - and whose only regret would be that there were any survivors. In any case, in the modern days of the internet, you can, if you so choose, visit an actual online neo-nazi forum, and enquire directly about the specifics of their grotesque views. Eliyohub (talk) 15:20, 9 May 2019 (UTC)