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February 22

History in Games

Could someone help me find Lorber, Martin; Zimmermann, Felix (ed.): History in Games. 2020? Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

If no one here responds, you might also try WP:REX. They are especially good at locating and sharing sources. --Jayron32 12:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

You can pay for a pdf at transcript-publishing.com. Alansplodge (talk) 13:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Alansplodge: Are there no library options? Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Try ISBN 978-3-8394-5420-6, section Libraries, and select your region.  --Lambiam 10:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

art painting in a different location in a movie

I've seen Coming to America. In that film, a painting which is a spoof of A Bar at the Folies-Bergère is shown above the fireplace. In that spoof, a burger is also placed in front of the woman. Why can't those statements be mentioned in the article about the painting and/or the movie?2603:7000:8100:BD38:34D9:4635:394F:8EBC (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

How important is it to the plot? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:24, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, in the article about the painting, someone mistakenly identified it being above a couch. But when I looked it up online, there were some images of it being above the fireplace. Plus, Mr. McDowell and his two daughters own and operate a burger joint.2603:7000:8100:BD38:B8AB:9532:FC94:14E1 (talk) 00:20, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Maybe in the painting article, but not in the film. As far as I can recall, it has no bearing on the plot. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:40, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It does. You see, Prince Akeem and his servant Semmi get their first jobs at McDowell's. This was after they attended the Black Awareness rally, where Akeem seemed smitten by Lisa McDowell. In one portion, Akeem and Semmi disarm a hold-up man (played by Samuel L. Jackson). Lisa was impressed. Afterwards, her father told Akeem and Semmi he was real proud about the way they handled the situation. In addition, he invites the two to be servers at a party a few nights later. Inside Mr. McDowell's house, Akeem is shown around. That's when the painting is first shown, above the fireplace. As the party got underway, there was another shot of the painting, to give moviegoers a better view of it. I hope this information is more helpful.2603:7000:8100:BD38:B8AB:9532:FC94:14E1 (talk) 10:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

If, in these scenes, the painting had instead been a spoof on, say, Boldini's painting – or if there had been no painting hanging over the fireplace at all – would it have had any impact on the narrative?  --Lambiam 10:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Another way to discuss this: Do you have any resources that mention this painting variation or is it something you personally noticed? If it is just you, it is personal research. You must either publish (in a noteworthy source) your findings or find someone else who has done so. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 11:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

As a matter of fact I have a resource. Here it is; [1]. I hope this helps.2603:7000:8100:BD38:B8AB:9532:FC94:14E1 (talk) 13:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

A resource is a news or journal article that expresses a thought or opinion about the subject, not a clip from the movie. What you are doing is showing the movie and expressing your opinion with the claim that because it is your opinion, it is notable and should be included in Wikipedia. You can add it. It may very well get removed. To make it stick, you look for resources (not clips of the movie) that express what it is you want to say. For example, you look for a newspaper article that expresses the meaning of the painting in the film. In other words, you search for other people who are saying what you want to say. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 13:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

So there's a painting with a hamburger in it. How is that vital to the story's plotline? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Didn't you read my answer to Clarityfiend?2603:7000:8100:BD38:B8AB:9532:FC94:14E1 (talk) 19:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

You did not answer Clarityfiend's question. You answered a question, but not the one asked. You are being asked why that specific painting is vital to the story. When is it discussed in the story? When does someone hold, move, sell, or buy the painting in the story? How is it used as anything other than something in the background that most people won't notice? 97.82.165.112 (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I did, as a matter of fact. There may be a possibility moviegoers who have seen Coming to America may be art enthusiasts.2603:7000:8100:BD38:50A4:44C1:F5AB:3BC (talk) 23:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

If they are, they probably already know the painting. As to the painting itself, it's a visual joke. If the article were to include every joke in the movie, it would be tantamount to a script. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

It does get a mention (with reference) at A Bar at the Folies-Bergère#Cultural references, which is perhaps the better place for it. Alansplodge (talk) 22:18, 23 February 2021 (UTC)