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George Lucas and the Expanded Universe

Dear All

Ich have heard that George Lucas directly influenced works in the EU, like he for example changed stuff in the script to the comic "Dark Empire" and apparently also picked the writers and artists for the series. I was wondering, if there is a list which features every advice he gave or every work in the EU he was involved.

Thank you for your answers

With kind regards--2A02:120B:C3CC:FC50:4C28:41EE:BD1E:9A6F (talk) 00:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

If you don't get any answers here, you may have better luck at Wookieepedia's Knowledge Bank. Staecker (talk) 11:36, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!--2A02:120B:C3CC:FC50:48DE:60DD:F10:AD43 (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Space Opera Movies

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen

I am looking for space operas, mostly in the form of movies and was curious, if there is a way to find all movies of this subgenre of science fiction. Are there maybe non-American space opera movies? Are there lists featuring the titles of most space opera movies?

Thank you for your answers

With kind regards--2A02:120B:C3CC:FC50:4C28:41EE:BD1E:9A6F (talk) 00:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia has List of space opera media#Film, television, and video and Category:Space opera films. The definition of space opera varies. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Vince_McMahon#Feud_with_D-Generation_X,_Donald_Trump_and_Bobby_Lashley_(2005–2007)

The article is written as if the fight with Trump was actually real. Better to explain that all was faked and it was just a funny entertaining show. It might confuse the future generations! Ericdec85 (talk) 12:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

In the context of professional wrestling's convention of kayfabe, such an explanation is unnecessary, as it's all faked. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230 195} 90.202.163.217 (talk) 15:11, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

The problem is this is an article on a person, not an article on a wrestling event or something like that. IMO wrestling articles, but also some articles on more classical fiction are sometimes very bad in the way they mix fiction and reality. For this particular article, consider that the previous section mentions this:

McMahon purchased long-time rival promotion World Championship Wrestling (WCW) in March 2001 from AOL Time Warner and signed many wrestlers from the organization.

There's clearly nothing kayfabe about that. I didn't bother to read the area of complaint that well, but a good example of how to handle fictional content seems to be the next section

On June 11, 2007, WWE aired a segment at the end of Raw that featured McMahon entering a limousine moments before it exploded. The show went off-air shortly after, and WWE.com reported the angle within minutes as though it were a legitimate occurrence, proclaiming that McMahon was "presumed dead".[76] Although this was the fate of the fictional "Mr. McMahon" character, no harm came to the actual person; the "presumed death" of McMahon was part of a storyline.[77] WWE later acknowledged to CNBC that he was not truly dead.

Note that I'm not saying that the article always needs to be clearly say something is fictional everytime it's mentioned or needs to go to this extreme. It just needs to be clear from the context that something is fictional. It may very well be that most of the time it should be clear that a car exploding in the wrestling ring is just kayfabe and it's normally not needed to specify. (Although care still needs to be taken. For example, something may really go wrong and someone could be injured. They may later given an interview somewhere where they talk about this. Alternatively something may "go wrong" and someone is "injured" and they give an interview where they talk about this in character. It needs to be clear which is which to the reader.)

Trump could have obviously really had a feud with Vince McMahon, like he seems to have a feud with so many people e.g. Megyn Kelly. (Well we obviously don't know for sure how he really feels about it, e.g. how much of it is simply part of his attempt to get elected and play to his base etc, as a topical encyclopedic article, it's expected that this is something readers will understand. And if evidence ever emerges that he actually always loved Megyn Kelly, we would write about it. So by the same token, if it's clear that a feud between Trump and McMahon was simply kayfabe, it should be clear to a current reader with some familiarity of wrestling and kayfabe but not the particulars of that "feud" that it is kayfabe. As said, I didn't bother to read the article well enough to know if it is.)

To give a completely different example, Richard Castle used to IMO have a problem. Some real world books have been published under the name of the fictional character. There are also the books that have been referred to in-universe. In the past, the article mentioned this IIRC, and in a section titled real books had a long list of books without clearly differentiating between those which had actually been published and those which were just referred to (i.e. weren't actually real books). In fact, in some ways it was worse than that, since I believe some of the published books were never referred to in the series yet.

But I seem to recall, and I had a quick look at the article, and while I'm not sure how great it is by wikipedia standards, it looks generally okay to me now. Part of it refer to real world stuff like e.g. opinions of the character, and part of it refer to what is known about the characters life within the fiction and the books also seem to be handled okay. The article doesn't need to specify this is 'fiction' all the time, since it's clear what is fiction.

However that article does have the advantage that it's on a fictional character, unlike the article the OP referred to which is intended to be a biography on a real person and is as with all of us going to die. If he's very unlucky, it could even be in a stunt gone wrong in the wrestling ring. (Although it would seem far less likely than with a wrestler.)

That said, I agree with the comment below the OP either needs to fix it, or at least bring the problem to the article talk page. Not here. I'm not hopeful of it being fixed unless someone is willing to be serious since I've been in ANI etc enough times to know of the disputes in wrestling related articles. So frankly while it's still worth raising on the talk page if you really feel there is a problem, expect even less than normal if you aren't willing to do the work.

Nil Einne (talk) 10:18, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

And if you think something in Wikipedia needs fixing, be WP:BOLD and do it. If you want to discuss changes prior to making them, the appropriate place is on the article's talk page here. Matt Deres (talk) 11:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Pop Team Epic the Animated Series, translated by...

It turns out that, for one of official English subtitles of Pop Team Epic used by most streaming services (including Crunchyroll), Dico in Japan provided translation into English, and Funimation's English dub is based on that translation. But I noticed that Sentai Filmworks's version of English subtitle (seen on HiDive) uses different translation. Do any of you know who (or what company) handled translation for Sentai? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 14:44, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I have to say I'm answering my own question; it was translated by Jessica Kim at Sentai's in-house team. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)