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editI have seen this term (which is a form of tankobon) transcribed as both "kazenban" and as "kanzenban". Which form is more correct? Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 19:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- I think "kanzenban" is correct and "kazenban" is just a typo. (See wikt:完全.) -- BenRG (talk) 01:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support. It's not a matter of which is more correct: "kazenban" is incorrect, and "kanzenban" is
incorrect. --Shirt58 (talk) 03:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC)- Shirt58, you should know better. That was a bizarre answer. 'Kanzenban' is correct. I shall AGF and grant that this was a typo. KägeTorä - (影虎) (Chin Wag) 15:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oh 畜生 --Shirt58 (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
[typo which has just been commented about by someone else]plus a self-correction is the way to leave it there so that the following comment does not appear irrelevant. I have taken the liberty of re-adding the mistake. KägeTorä - (影虎) (Chin Wag) 19:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oh 畜生 --Shirt58 (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Shirt58, you should know better. That was a bizarre answer. 'Kanzenban' is correct. I shall AGF and grant that this was a typo. KägeTorä - (影虎) (Chin Wag) 15:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Race theater?
editAccording to our article Movie palace, after the Paramount Decision, "Many were able to stay in business by converting to operate as race or pornography theaters." We have an article on pornography theatres, but what's a "race theater"? One that shows only films of horse races? One that hosts KKK rallies? Elucidation (and perhaps clarification of the article) would be most appreciated. Tevildo (talk) 22:05, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- I thought it meant venues where race films were shown, but according to the articles, that would just barely fit the timeline. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- That sounds very reasonable, but it gives us a direct contradiction between the two articles - "The race films vanished after United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc." The "movie palace" statement is referenced, but (as a non-expert) I think the "race film" statement is more likely to be true. I'll see if I can find anything more, now that I know a plausible meaning for the term. Tevildo (talk) 22:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- I guess it could also just refer to cinemas with mainly (at times perhaps exclusively) African American audiences. Maybe their programs were also different from what venues in the suburbs showed, and thus a distinct type of "theater", but I couldn't find a lot of meaningful reference post-1950 of this kind. I shouldn't be speculating. An interesting synchronicity: it was in 1949 that Billboard changed its "Race Records" chart to "Rhythm & Blues Records". ---Sluzzelin talk 23:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- The book Exhibition, the Film Reader implies Sluzzelin's second interpretation: "Would Lexington's black citizens have taken it as an achievement if a 'race' theater like the Frolic could match venues catering solely to whites?"[1] Also, race film says only 500 were produced between 1915 and 1950. That doesn't sound like enough to keep a movie house going. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- I was thinking of Blaxploitation, but that would not really fit the timeline either, as those types of films became widespread only in the early 1970s. --Xuxl (talk) 09:52, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
- The book Exhibition, the Film Reader implies Sluzzelin's second interpretation: "Would Lexington's black citizens have taken it as an achievement if a 'race' theater like the Frolic could match venues catering solely to whites?"[1] Also, race film says only 500 were produced between 1915 and 1950. That doesn't sound like enough to keep a movie house going. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- I guess it could also just refer to cinemas with mainly (at times perhaps exclusively) African American audiences. Maybe their programs were also different from what venues in the suburbs showed, and thus a distinct type of "theater", but I couldn't find a lot of meaningful reference post-1950 of this kind. I shouldn't be speculating. An interesting synchronicity: it was in 1949 that Billboard changed its "Race Records" chart to "Rhythm & Blues Records". ---Sluzzelin talk 23:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- That sounds very reasonable, but it gives us a direct contradiction between the two articles - "The race films vanished after United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc." The "movie palace" statement is referenced, but (as a non-expert) I think the "race film" statement is more likely to be true. I'll see if I can find anything more, now that I know a plausible meaning for the term. Tevildo (talk) 22:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
- WP:OR: I was once at Ebertfest, in the old Virginia_Theatre_(Champaign) (built 1921). For some reason or another, an old black lady was telling stories about the theater. She said that she remembered having to sit in the back when she was young, because there wasn't a race theater in town and that type of segregation/discrimination was still legal. Anyway, just a remembered use of the term from real life that supports the notion that "race theater" could be used to mean a place where black people (or perhaps other non-white people) were welcomed and allowed to sit wherever they wanted to. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:51, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
- I've added the appropriate link to the Movie palace article - thanks to all for an educational discussion. Tevildo (talk) 22:47, 16 January 2015 (UTC)