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January 8

Generating list of film articles without infobox images

Hi, I do a lot of editing of articles about films. I'd like to locate film articles which are lacking an image in their infobox. Can anyone suggest a tool/method that I could use to auto-build a list of such articles? Thanks in advance. Tobyhoward (talk) 03:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Tobyhoward: Hi there! Category:Film articles needing an image should keep you busy for a while. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:Thank you for the very fast and helpful reply! May I ask a subsidiary question? Is there a way I can intersect Category:Film articles needing an image with Category:British drama films? Thanks! Tobyhoward (talk) 03:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Tobyhoward, I imagine that you'll already be aware of the relevant issues; but briefly: if you can present explicit evidence that an image is now in the public domain, upload it to Commons and be careful to apply the appropriate public domain template to it; if it's not in the public domain and you can claim "fair use", upload it (at low resolution) to Wikipedia noting the specific use of it that would be fair. (In theory there's a third possibility: copyright images published under a usable copyleft licence. But in practice such images are, I suspect, vanishingly rare.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary Thanks for your reply. Yes, I'm aware of image upload protocols. My issue was how to locate film articles that needed an identifying image adding, as I wanted to create a list of them to gradually chip away at. In case it's of help to anyone reading this, Category: British cinema articles needing an image gives me just what I need. Cheers! Tobyhoward (talk) 07:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Tobyhoward, for future reference you can find category intersections with the incategory keyword, documented here. For example, this search returns British cinema articles rated as quality C-Class that also need an image. Folly Mox (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox Thanks very much for this – very helpful! best wishes to you. Tobyhoward (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Awards vs. Awards by WikiProject

I stumbled across the Category:WikiProject Awards participants page and noticed that basically everything on the page mistakenly links to Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject. As far as I can tell, mass retitling of the two topics occurred years ago to eliminate confusion caused by them sounding so similar, and I assume this page was unfortunately just forgotten in that process.

I tried to figure out how to fix it myself, but I am fairly new to editing and don't have much knowledge of userboxes or templates. I would appreciate any advice/help with fixing the issue. Thanks! RilVi (talk) 06:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Display of photo of another person with similar name

in the article, Palakollu Assembly constituency, in the table for 1985 assembly elections, the name of the Communist Party Marxist candidate is Alluri Satyanarayanaraju . This is correct. But, the photo depicted and personal details given when clicked on the name are wrong. The photo and details belong to another leader with the same name. The latter worked as PWD minister in the Congress Governments of united Andhra Pradesh ( though a previous communist ) and also AICC general Secretary. But, this CPI (M) candidate of 1985 Palakollu Assembly constituency was life-time communist leader. 103.28.244.252 (talk) 09:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

sorry..it is 1983 elections table 103.28.244.252 (talk) 09:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Since I'm told Alluri Satyanarayana Raju died in 1963, it seems you're correct, I delinked the name in Palakollu Assembly constituency. Thanks for noticing. Does the right Alluri Satyanarayana Raju have an article on any Wikipedia, and if so can you link it? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Why are the cites in Ekşi Sözlük not automatically archived?

Help:Archiving a source says ‘ New URLs added to Wikipedia articles (but not other pages) are usually automatically archived by a bot.’ Perhaps the article was written before that bot started running?

Obviously I cannot see the primary source cites from here in Turkey without messing around with a VPN. Is there something I can do to get the cites archived regularly please? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey there @Chidgk1, I've gone ahead and archived all the sources on Ekşi Sözlük. If you ever need to do it in the future, you can use the IABot interface. It's great for archiving and tagging dead links. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah thanks very much for quick response Chidgk1 (talk) 11:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Chidgk1, perhaps the language of Help:Archiving a source should be clarified. As you can see from the archive dates of the sources at Ekşi Sözlük after DreamRimmer's IABot run, these sources have already been archived between 2012 and early last year. The presence of an archive snapshot at Internet Archive doesn't mean that it will necessarily be linked from any particular Wikipedia article, which requires editorial action. Just FYI. Happy editing, Folly Mox (talk) 14:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Editing The Kyiv Independent page

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The information on the Kyiv Independent website has been updated, and as an Assistant in this organization, I'm assigned to update the Wiki page as well. I tried to edit the Wiki page, but all my edits were deleted.

What is the best way for me to update the page? I really need to do it, because it's my task and if I fail I am going to be fired(((((

Looking forward to hearing from you! Thanks!) Valeriia Snopkova (talk) 13:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: The Kyiv Independent

@Valeriia Snopkova: Read WP:BOSS. If you're employed by the organization, you need to WP:DISCLOSE your conflict of interest. If you have edits you would like done, then you can request another editor does them for you by using the edit request wizard. Your edits were deleted not least because they appear to have copyright issues (see your talk page); and they appear over-promotional. Bazza (talk) 13:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Connect new pages to Wikidata

Young Hearts (The Curse) is a new page that isn't connected to Wikidata. At Wikipedia:Wikidata#New articles it says how to connect it, but I don't see that flow on my screen. I'm using Vector 2022. Is there any script that can help me without me needing to go to Wikidata and manually create these pages? Gonnym (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The option to view a page's Wikidata item, or to add it to Wikidata, appears on my "Tools" sidebar. While I have these on my right sidebar, I believe they are tucked away by default on the top of the page, by the "Add topic" and "History" buttons. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 14:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

At Young Hearts (The Curse) do you have the option to add it to Wikidata? Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it shows as "Add interlanguage links" for me. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 14:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

And how do I connect Wikidata from that option? Gonnym (talk) 14:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Clicking the link will lead you to this page, which will ask you to create a new item. Before you do so, you may search to see if the page exists on a different Wikipedia project under a different title, though it's unlikely. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 14:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I have "Add interlanguage links" but I dont have from there a link to the page you linked to. Gonnym (talk) 14:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The Wikidata item is missing so you cannot easily make it via Wkkidata. Go to wikidata:Special:NewItem to create it. It doesn’t help that the mobile interface of both Wikipedia and Wikidata are so incompatible. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes I know how to create a manual new item. I'm looking for a way that saves me time as I'm usually handling more than a single page at a time. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Problems related to moved articles regarding university football

So I posted about this in WP:FOOTY to try to figure out what happened with some of the following articles:

• College soccer
• College association football
• College soccer in the United States

Originally all of the content was located at College soccer, but then the material was suddenly split between College association football and College soccer in the United States. Nevermind the fact that the moves were undiscussed, the histories for the pages College soccer and College soccer in the United States are now all messed up and everything redirects to College soccer in the United States, including the content not related to the U.S. The edit history for College soccer has been inexplicably moved to College soccer in the United States, but the talk page for College soccer remains the same as it was before. Is there someone who can look at these page moves and figure out what happened? Thank you! Jay eyem (talk) 16:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football § Undiscussed moves related to university football - GoingBatty (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Contractor Garage - A new category of commercial real estate

Potential Authors, In 2010 I created and coined a new concept of commercial real estate called a Contractor Garage. Since then I have developed 8 properties in the Kansas City metro, trademarked it, and starting to share the branding with others across the United States. The term is starting to be widely used throughout the United State (and other parts of the world) thanks largely to social media. The concept is very similar to what CrossFit has done to the gym industry. We're a brand that has become synonymous with a new category of commercial real estate. "Contractor Garage is a branded category of commercial real estate that bridges mini storage with flex industrial space." The problem is since I am the creator of the concept and own the brand and trademark, I can not create a new topic to address this new subject. I instead need to be interviewed so someone else independent who can do it. I feel like this concepts needs to be added to Wikipedia because as time goes on social media influences are blurring the concept incorrectly with existing flex industrial real estate. I would like to set the record straight on what exactly it is, coming from the main person who created and coined the concept over 14 years ago. I would love to hear from someone willing to take on this project. - Kevin Combs Kcombs79 (talk) 17:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic, not what it or those associated with it, say about it, so an interview with you would be insufficient to sustain an article. Wikipedia is not a means for people to share what they created one day. When independent sources choose on their own to write about it, then there can be an article about it. 331dot (talk) 18:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

This is what I'm trying to spearhead. As of now, Google is the only way to search the term. Wikipedia has nothing. So by all means if any "independent sources" would like to choose on their own to write about it... here is an untouched topic. -Cheers Kcombs79 (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand; the independent sources need to write about this topic in their own publications first, not here. Then independent editors will take note of that coverage and choose to write about it. Wikipedia is the last place a topic is written about, not the first. 331dot (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Independent sources are writing about it daily via social media (X, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok) for example. No scientist or doctor has written any papers about it and it's not often a topic of media concern, but people have been talking about it for 14 years so Wikipedia will definitely not be the first. Wikipedia is already the last. That's why I'm here. Surly someone can spearhead the topic. Thank you for your help! Kcombs79 (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Social media is not considered a reliable source(please read). It doesn't have to be written about in scholarly or academic publications, just independent reliable sources like the news or published books. You'll have to conduct publicity efforts elsewhere. 331dot (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

It has been on the news (once that i know of in Topeka, KS) and other little business publications, chamber of commerce events, etc. Kcombs79 (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Kcombs79, posts by random people on social media platforms like X, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and the like are not reliable sources for creating an article on Wikipedia. They lack editorial control, fact checking and a reputation for accuracy. No one can "spearhead" this effort unless the topic has received significant coverage in reliable published sources that are entirely independent of you and your business ventures. High quality sources are mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Here is a new story from a Topeka news station.

https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-news/contractors-garage-offering-hobbyists-and-small-business-owners-a-place-to-grow/

With some google research, there is a lot of information about this concept. It's all haphazard, which is why it's important for Wikipedia to address the topic/concept. Kcombs79 (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Not always helpful internationally: "This content is not available in your country/region." Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I have been told that there are people developing this concept internationally. Admittedly I don't know their names, but yes, it is internationally significant. Kcombs79 (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Like Martin, I can't see that story. But from the title it sounds as if it's about a particular business, not about the concept. ColinFine (talk) 21:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I can read it and it is about a specific business. It's a pretty minimal article too. The entire thing is 6 brief sentences, including a quote from one of the owners. Squeakachu (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

It started out as a business in 2010 but has since taken off like wildfire as a concept. A good example of CrossFit, which started out as a business but has become synonymous with a new type of workout. Wikipedia has CrossFit in their system. There is nothing about a Contractor Garage. Contractor Garages are less sexy than a popular retail business such as CrossFit, so it will garner less media attention as a result. Maybe one day it will become big but in the meantime at topic should be addressed on Wikipedia for the public's knowledge. Kcombs79 (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

That KSNT story is obviously based on a press release or public relations campaign carried out by Neal Spencer, one of the partners in the business. It is not an independent source and therefore of no value in establishing the notability of this business. As for It's all haphazard, which is why it's important for Wikipedia to address the topic/concept, that is not how Wikipedia works. It may be important to you, but it is not important to Wikipedia, unless you can establish that this business venture meets the stringent standards at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). I see no evidence at this time that this business venture is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

As for CrossFit, that article has 138 references to reliable sources, many of them very high quality. This Contractor Garage business has none. These topics are not comparable. Cullen328 (talk) 21:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Robert J Tierney

I just edited the details for Robert J Tierney and found them to be incorrect. I am Robert J Tierney and returned to a version that was correct. Please replace the copy with what I just reinstated. 2604:3D08:5382:6900:50E7:75B0:B59E:1DE8 (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Your additions to Robert J. Tierney were entirely unreferenced and therefore violated the core content policy of Verifiability. They were reverted for that reason. Since you have an obvious conflict of interest, you should not be editing that article directly. Propose any changes using formal edit requests at Talk: Robert J. Tierney, providing links to reliable sources verifying the new content. Cullen328 (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Merging my user talk archives

Where to go to request merging my user talk archives? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 20:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius: It's done manually with cut and paste, and an edit summary saying where you copied from per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Hyperlink. You only have three archives and can do it yourself but I suggest you first change archive parameters. The bot did as instructed by maxarchivesize = 4T which means 4 threads per archive. It's more normal to specify a size like maxarchivesize = 150K for 150 kilobytes. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks a lot for the help. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 08:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Where....

can I find some oner that can take a look and advise changes to a sandbox draft I have created??? Buster7 (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Buster7: See WP:AFC. Cheers! ‍ Relativity 01:13, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

For recent edit on Dr. Macchiarini! There are too many self interested comments attacking him.

Wikipedia should be neutral. In time his name may be cleared. Meantime Attackers shall keep their agendas. I am sad May lives died.

caroline Donkin Carolinedonkin (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@Carolinedonkin: You can start a discussion on the article's talk page. I think you may be referring to Paolo Macchiarini but I am not sure. RudolfRed (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)