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January 21

WP:Toolong

Why are articles such as Donald Trump allowed to have over 100kB...even though Wikipedia:Article size states articles over 100,000 characters should, "Almost certainly should be divided." Ak-eater06 (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ak-eater06. As should be obvious, it is much more difficult to gain consensus for major changes at an article like Donald Trump than at less contentious and lower visibility articles. It is easier to gain agreement to add a little bit of well-referenced content than to split off a major block of well-referenced content. The day will come when Trump is no longer a factor in day-to-day politics in the U.S., and maybe a "slimming" of that article will become possible at that time. Cullen328 (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If you take a look at Special:LongPages, you will see that there are currently 30 articles that are longer than Donald Trump. Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

A huge amount about Donald Trump is already split out to other articles with a summary section in the main article per Wikipedia:Summary style. The guideline about 100 kB is from 2007 when Internet connections were slower and some browsers had technical limitations. Many editors consider it obsolete, or would ignore it if they knew about it. I don't expect Donald Trump to ever go below 100 kB. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

User:PrimeHunter source for the 2007 claim? (not that I doubt you). Ak-eater06 (talk) 06:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Diff. See also Wikipedia talk:Article size#Documentation of the history of WP:SIZERULE. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

User:PrimeHunter Thanks. My next question is why haven't these restrictions been removed (especially with our advanced technology fifteen years later). Ak-eater06 (talk) 07:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

As an aside, I wouldn't say that size ruling is obsolete. We now have a lot of mobile connections. I don't know about you, but loading that article from my phone is a bit of a mission sometimes! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Not to mention that, aside from any technical limitations that may have inspired the rule, which may or may not be considerations now, there is the fact that the target audience of our articles are humans with limited attention spans. Our articles are not books, they should be able to be read in a single sitting. I think if at article is so long that it would take the average reader more than an hour to read, it's too long. Last time I read through the Donald Trump article, it took just about an hour. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If someone cites a paywall source, does it count as an eligible citation? Or should it be removed?

Ak-eater06 (talk) 07:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

See WP:PAYWALL. —Wasell^(T) 08:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

It's really no different than an offline citation of a book. Just because you can't access it via the internet doesn't invalidate it. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Fair use image to other language Wikipedia

If a picture is fair-use here, what is the process of using that on other language Wikipedia? Would I need to reupload it on the other Wiki? Or, there is nothing can be done about it? Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 12:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You would have to manually upload it to another Wiki. Although first, you would need to check that language Wikipedia's rules on fair use content (some language wikis don't allow any non-free images for example), to make sure it could be used there. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 12:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Name Disputed tag?

What would be the appropriate template tag for the *name* of the person being disputed. Several IP editors have attempted to change the name of Alpha Kappa Alpha founder Ethel Hedgeman Lyle to Ethyl Hedgemon Lyle over the last week. I'm not sure they are wrong (Alpha Kappa Alpha *itself* has changed the name on their website), but would like to direct them to the talk page rather than having to protect the website. "Disputed" and "Disputed Section" both seem wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 14:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

At first glance, {{Disputed inline}} would seem appropriate. --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Reticon Company:

I was a R&D manufacturing engineer with GM for 40 years. I bought Reticon chips for measuring machines. We bought a machine from Diffracto (Canada) that could measure jet engine part diameters to +/- 12 microinches +/- 3 sigma. It was obvious at the time that once the big boys saw what Reticon was doing they would bury them like IBM did all those small microcomputer companies that had better machines. Reticon was a true pioneer in digital camera development. You know what a pioneer is: a guy lying face down in the dirt with arrows in his back. David Monnier Allison Div, GM 1964-2005 (lasers, holography, microcomputers, robotics, PLCs, computer vision, special machines)16:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.71.173.217 (talk)

Why are you posting this here? 331dot (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. We have an article Reticon, and you are welcome to add to it, but only information for which you have a reliable published source: personal recollection and knowledge is regarded as original research, and not acceptable as a source anywhere in Wikipedia.

I wonder if you have looked at that article, and are reacting to the notice at the top that it may not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability and may get deleted. That notice has been there for more than ten years (though now you have drawn people's attention to it, somebody might pay attention to it!) If that is your point, then I'm afraid that no amount of personal recollection, or assertions of the company's importance, is relevant. What is needed to bring that article up to the basic minimal requirements of Wikipedia is several citations to reliable published sources, wholly independent of the company, which cover it in some depth. It is possible that the New York Times article does so (it requires a subscription to look at it); but judging from the title, I suspect that its content is peripheral to an article about Reticon.

If you have such sources (they don't need to be online, but they must not be written or published by Reticon or its associates, or based on press releases from them) then you're welcome to add citation to them - if you're not sure how to cite a source in an article, post on the talk page Talk:Reticon, giving bibliographic information about the sources (like author, date, title, publication, page number). --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Many pages, identical error, need to correct in bulk

In 2010, 250 pages were generated on Wikipedia relating to dams in India. https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wiki.x.io/Suresh.andhale lines 1 to 252, less a few disambiguation pages, links them. All I have checked so far have transferred cubic volumes from referenced source material to the article incorrectly, changing units of 1000 cubic meters into cubic kilometers. The dams therefore appear in the articles to be larger than they are in fact.

Where on Wikipedia can I connect with a bulk correction team who know how to employ macros across many pages? JohnHarris (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, John. That sounds like the sort of thing one of the bots could do. Please look at WP:Bot requests. --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @ColinFine, I'll move that way. JohnHarris (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Non-english growth team program mentee

Hello! I've signed up as a mentor for the "Growth Team features" and I noticed that one of my mentees is a non-english user. Their username isn't in English and their only edit so far is also not in English. I'm wondering if there's a way I can unclaim a mentee as I am only able to speak and understand English, so having a mentee that doesn't speak English doesn't work all that well. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The user in question appears to no longer be my mentee. DOn't know if someone else did something or if something I did caused it but thanks. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Move Muscogee (Creek) Nation to Muscogee Nation

New name since 2021 needs to be renamed to make it simplified and it's the new name for our tribal nation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwv (talk • contribs) 19:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I can't do it myself, as Muscogee Nation is "occupied" (with two edits), so I've initiated a request to move the page; it should show up at WP:Requested moves#January 22, 2022 within half an hour. You will be able to comment there. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Highest grossing tamil movies list

You people included

1.Bahubali the beginning
2.bahubali the conclusion
3.saaho

In highest grossing tamil movies list these three are not tamil movies they are telugu movies if you people say that it is a pan Indian movie then you should include it in other languages list as well Kindly remove these three movies from tamil movies list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharath Ramasamy (talk • contribs) 21:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

No, Bharath Ramasamy, "we people" didn't. Probably almost all the people reading this help page, like me, have never even looked at that list article before, never mind edited it. If you want to engage with people who do take an interest in that article, the place to make your suggestion is the talk page of that article, Talk:List of highest-grossing Tamil films, or perhaps at WT:WikiProject Film. I note that the articles about the three films you mention all say that they were filmed simultaneously in Tamil and Telugu, and in the case of Saaho, in Hindi as well. If you don't think they belong in the Tamil list, it is up to you to argue the case and persuade other editors to agree with you. The three films are also in List of highest-grossing Telugu films. Saaho is not in the Hindi section of List of highest-grossing Indian films but it appears from the numbers that it does not rank in the top ten of those anyway. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Bharath Ramasamy, there are sources for both Bahubali films in the list that state they are Tamil films. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Usage of Wikipedia text in commercial game

I would like to have tooltips in a commercial video game that use text from various Wikipedia pages. There is no space for attribution and no ability for hyperlinks. I can include attribution in a dedicated credits page but I still can't include hyperlinks. I would need about 500 unique tooltips. Do I have any options here or is this unreasonable?JohnWik99 (talk) 22:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, JohnWIk99. Thank you for taking the trouble to check how to attribute. It seems to me that a credits page with the URL would be adequate, even if that URL is not a clickable link. WP:Reusing Wikipedia content says To re-distribute a text page in any form, provide credit to the authors either by including a) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages you are re-using, b) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) a list of all authors. --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)