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January 22

Deletion of page

I created the page "Titchfield High School, Jamaica". Earlier today the page was deleted. I am not totally sure why, but I have the impression that this was because of the inactivity on the account for the past 24 hours. I am an amateur at wikipedia and I am just trying to start a page for my high school before I go off to medical school. Please assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavin Kahn-Chin (talk • contribs) 00:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

It was deleted, supposedly for having "no meaningful, substantive content". However, any secondary school that can be shown to exist officially should be kept (unless it did have no content, of course), and this one is recognized by the Jamaican government.[1] (It should be titled just Titchfield High School, as there appears to only be the one.) Do you want to recreate it, or should I? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:31, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I've asked the deleter to undelete the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Hi, @Gavin Kahn-Chin: it was deleted because it was a blank page, there was no content at all. But feel free to start writing! --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Gavin Kahn-Chin: I've kicked off your article at Titchfield High School, Jamaica for you with a single sentence and the source that Clarityfiend provided.--Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

easy contact

How can I add your icon W on my task bar for easy contact? 04:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)04:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.196.113 (talk)

What is your browser and operating system? Maybe you can simply use the mouse to drag a url from the browser address bar to your task bar. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Requesting a screenshot

Hello,

Is there a place like WP:IFU where I can ask someone to upload a screenshot? I'd like to add the title screen for the Stu Hart 50th Anniversary Show. I can't find an image of it online but this video has the title screen at 0:12. I believe it can be used under {{Non-free television screenshot}}. 72.74.200.46 (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Watchlist broken?

Resolved

I just tried to add an article to my watchlist and got an error "An error occurred while changing your watchlist settings for "<article>", where <article> stands for the article I tried to add to the list. I then tried it with several other articles, with the same result. This has never happened to me before. Is this a known issue? --Prüm (talk) 06:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Technical issues with something on Wikipedia being broken are usually posted at WP:VPT. I don't see anything there that looks like the issue that you're having, so you might want to post about it there.

This help desk is more for things like "how do I make this table sortable?" or "This image isn't appearing in the place I want it to in an article". That said, many people that frequent this page also view VPT, so you might get an answer here as well. Hope this helps, Dismas|^(talk) 13:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I see there that it is a known issue, several related problems reported there. --Prüm (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

How to upload image

Medplus store

how to upload image in an article which is yet to be accepted for publication. I am getting an alert saying the content already exists in my file. But the article does not display the images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newsomething (talk • contribs) 10:30, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Newsomething: Uploading a file and adding it to a page are separate functions. commons:Special:ListFiles/Newsomething shows four uploadds by you. If you for example want to add File:Medplus store.JPG to a page then you can add this code to the page: [[File:Medplus store.JPG|thumb|Medplus store]]. See more at Help:Files. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about merging

Resolved

Hello, I just have a question about merging. A couple of days ago, the Template:Modern Family and Template:Modern Family episodes were merged and they were tagged that they are "currently being merged". I don't understand if someone is actually making the merge or not. I was thinking that after two days someone should have done it..? I could "copy" one template into another to "make the merge" but I am not quite sure if that's the correct way to do it or if an admin has to do it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. TeamGale ^(talk) 13:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I have boldly merged the templates for you, in the direction of the more general name, which is how I interpret the closure at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_6#Template:Modern_Family_episodes. That is only the first step, however, as there are a large number of per-episode articles which have both templates in them. That is probably something most easily changed by a bot, to replace {{Modern Family episodes}} with {{Modern Family}}, or just remove the episodes template if both are already on the page. Murph9000 (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks User:Murph9000 for your edit. I could merge the two templates I just didn't know by the way they were tagged if anyone could do it. I'll "complete" the steps based on the "How to merge" page/instructions now. As for the templates being on the episodes' pages, is there already a bot that can do what you are saying? Remove the one that is not necessary? Or a new bot has to be created? Thanks again for all your help. TeamGale ^(talk) 16:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@TeamGale: I should be able to do it for you as a WP:ASSISTED edit. I'm taking a look at it now. Murph9000 (talk) 16:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again User:Murph9000. I never worked with bots and these kind of things. Your help is very appreciated. TeamGale ^(talk) 17:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I see it's already removing the double template from the pages. Thanks User:Murph9000 TeamGale ^(talk) 17:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. :-) Murph9000 Bot (talk · contribs) is hard at work, under my close supervision. Murph9000 (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done {{Modern Family episodes}} (including via redirects to it) removed from 158 articles, all of which already had {{Modern Family}}. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Modern Family episodes now lists no main article namespace pages transcluding it. Murph9000 (talk) 18:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Edits do not show up after Saving

Resolved

 – 146.115.148.21 (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I made edits to the article on Omni Parker House in Boston, MA, yesterday evening. I made certain to Save my edits.

The original page, however, is still showing. My edits are NOT showing up. Is there a reason for this?

I certainly hope I do not have to redo them all!

I could not find an answer to this question in your FAQs or other help topics.

Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usimodo (talk • contribs) 15:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Usimodo: I see your edits in the page history, and they have not been reverted by anyone. I.e. your edits are in place and showing in the live / current version of the article. Have you tried using your browser's reload function? Are you talking about them not showing up when you view the article on Wikipedia, or are you talking about showing up in Google or some other 3rd party site. We can only directly help with Wikipedia issues here, and have no control over the updating of 3rd party sites which show Wikipedia content. Murph9000 (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Murph: I cannot figure out how to reply correctly, so I am adding my reply here. This whole thing is extremely complicated. I do now see my edits in the article in Wikipedia when I use a different browser. I assume it was a cache issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.148.21 (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2016‎ (UTC)

You replied exactly correctly. In a longer discussions you might use one or more colons (":") to indent your reply under the text you're replying to. Rwessel (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Jews for Jesus Wikipedia: Opinionated or Not Opinionated

Jews for Jesus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

An editor named Mr. Swordfish (I assume it was him because of his comment to me) deleted every single post I made on the Jews for Jesus website. Here is what I wrote to him:

Mr. Swordfish, I just read the policies. Are you an official editor for Wikipedia? I understand now that the sources I cited as from a not-yet published media kit are not acceptable. Will they be acceptable when the media kit is published? The media kit is a fact sheet. It is not self-promotion. But you (I assume it was you) deleted everything I posted yesterday. For example, you deleted our Jews for Jesus Statement of Faith. I checked other Wikipedia sites of religious groups and their Statements of Faith are posted. Why did you delete ours? Also, do you see how many statements are on this site from those who oppose Jews for Jesus? It dominates the entire site, which is ridiculous. So I posted letters from people who agree with our beliefs and what we do. Yes, the letters are from our website [but they are not from people from our organization]. Is that why you deleted that entire section? It seems like you are not permitting me to post any references from our website to state our positions. You also deleted our own statements about who we are, what we do, why we do it, our own statements about the controversy over our That Jew Died for You site. I'm sorry, but I have read your policies [on self-promotion and sourcing] and this still seems to me like total censorship. You did not leave up a single thing I posted yesterday. Do you have the authority to do this. Please explain. Thanks.

I would like someone else's input on this.Thank you.Messianicmatt (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

(Assuming your assumption is true,) I don't quite see the relevance to Wikipedia of those actions of his on that site. (Are you claiming that they would be evidence of

harassment

him being biased

him being a single-issue editor

?) JumpDiscont (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

JumpDiscont: I think that when Messianicmatt wrote "the Jews for Jesus website", he was referring to the Wikipedia article Jews for Jesus. Maproom (talk) 20:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Messianicmatt: This is the general help desk for help editing Wikipedia. If you have a question for a specific editor you would need to post on their talk page, or on the article's talk page. According to the edit history of that page, you were reverted because your additions seemed like promotion or advertising. Wikipedia is not here to promote or advertise any company, group, product, or thing. Wikipedia runs on independent reliable sources. We do not care one bit what someone that works for this group wants to say about it. You have a conflict of interest and you should not be editing that page directly anyways. You should be discussing all proposed edits on the article's talk page. As to whether someone has the "authority" to edit a page or revert something the answer is yes. You do not own this page, and this is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Anything put up and be taken down. That is how Wikipedia works. Courtesy ping: @Mr swordfish: --Majora (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, MessianicMatt. Wikipedia articles are (or should) be summaries of what independent reliable sources have said about a subject. It follows that what a subject (whether a person, an organisation, or anything else) says about itself is of little relevance to Wikipedia. That is part of the reason why editors are strongly discouraged from editing any article on a subject which they have a close connection with.

Secondly, every editor has authority to edit (almost) any article, as long as they do so in good faith. Any other editor is entitled to disagree with any edit, in which case they should follow the dispute resolution procedure. (Note: I have not even looked at the particular edits, so I am siding with neither you nor Mr Swordfish. I am answering your points in general). --ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Messianicmatt: You edited the article Jews for Jesus, adding a lot of strongly promotional content, some of it written in the first person, and sourced only to an unpublished "Fact Sheet" produced by the organisation itself. Mr swordfish quite properly removed what you had added. You need to read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Maproom (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Messianicmatt: There are a few things raised by this question.

1. This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. (see top of page) The help desk is not the place to resolve this. You need to follow the dispute resolution policy.
2. It can be a good idea to raise an editing dispute at relevant WikiProjects, to help obtain a wider and balanced view of the content, and hopefully a better basis for consensus.
3. Wikipedia is essentially a meritocracy and run by consensus of volunteers. There are no "official editors", just a huge number of editors (some whom do have some extra privileges based on a history of constructive contributions and clearly being here to build an encyclopaedia). There are also the administrators, arbitration committee, and similar, who are also volunteer editors, who have proven themselves worthy of high levels of responsibility.
4. In general, Wikipedia does not care about things which happen elsewhere (on other websites), only things which happen here (on Wikipedia), unless that thing achieves notability and merits an article being written about it.
5. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, first, last, and always; and there are certain things that Wikipedia is not. Please take a careful look at the list of things that Wikipedia is not, as I believe some of the things you talk about above may be covered there. In particular, publishing letters from people sounds quite the opposite of encyclopaedic content, and quite possibly is a copyright violation (you do not own the copyright to those letters, the authors of them own that). Wikipedia is not a blog, social network, or general purpose web hosting service.
6. I urge you to remain calm and focus on the content, which absolutely must be 100% unbiased / neutral point of view, and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopaedia.
7. At this time, I am absolutely not taking sides, only offering some general advice and pointers.

@Mr swordfish: A ping for you, so you are aware of this discussion. Murph9000 (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Messianicmatt. I am taking sides. The edit was inappropriate in many particulars. I don't mean by that that it was intended by you in bad faith. But it clearly violated many policies and guidelines we follow to maintain a neutral, non-promotional and unbiased encyclopedia; our requirements for citations to reliable, independent sources; the tone expected for encyclopedic writing, and others. The revert by Mr swordfish referenced I believe a highly appropriate section of policy (though it would have been better had it been linked): Wikipedia is not a soapbox, This is all not to mention that it was a copyright violation. I have hidden the edits for that reason.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:59, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Can one make a _small_ space?

An article I'm planning on editing has F^-, which is generated by ​ ' ' F < s u p > - < / s u p > ' ' ​ without the spaces. ​ ​ ​ Putting in a space immediately before the ​ < s u p ​ gives ​ F ^- , ​ and putting in a space immediately after the ​ < s u p ​ gives ​ F ^- . ​ ​ ​ (I don't see any difference between those 2 alternatives.) ​ Is there some way to put whitespace between the F and the - without getting as much as the 2 (perhaps-equivalent) alternatives I described? ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ JumpDiscont (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with how those characters are normally used, but have you tried encasing a space in <small></small> tags? Note that consecutive spaces get treated as one, so if you want to have more than one space consecutively, you have to use the &nbsp; tag (see &nbsp), which works because consecutive nbsps get treated as separate spaces. Nyttend (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@JumpDiscont and Nyttend: You need to use &nbsp; anyway, so that it doesn't break on wrap when it ends up at the end of a line (which is guaranteed to eventually happen to someone viewing it, between different browser window widths and future editing). You may wish to consider Help:Displaying a formula, as LaTeX produces nice clear things just like that, with more reliability than a lot of HTML hacks jammed together to break again in the future, although {{math}} is also a possibility. E.g. $F^{-}$ (TeX) F ^- (HTML math). The HTML math stuff has nowrap automatically set, so you don't need to worry about nbsp for line break purposes. If we knew which article we are talking about, the context might produce other advice or suggestions. Murph9000 (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Or you could use a thin space (which also avoids line wrap) like this F ^-, or this F ^–. Maproom (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, a thin space is the best option since this is on the web. The only other way is to use a CSS style with letter-spacing, though that only works on the H1 and H2 headers. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Interesting; I've never heard of the thin space before. Nyttend (talk) 03:04, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Transcluding a category

Consider this revision of St. Anne's Episcopal School: other than the {{coord missing}} template, the last bit of the code is {{category: Schools in Delaware}}. When adding coords, I saw the category code and figured that it was a mistake, so I replaced it with normal brackets, and the article is now in Category:Schools in Delaware. No problem. But if you look at the "this revision" link, you'll see that the article is in the parent categories of Schools in Delaware, and it's not in that category. There is no Template:Schools in Delaware or Template:Category:Schools in Delaware (or Template:Category: Schools in Delaware, for that matter), so why did we have any categories in the old version, and why were there three, rather than just one? Was it really transcluding the category, and if so, why is this a possibility? Nyttend (talk) 21:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

You can transclude pages from any namespace, so it was just transcluding the category page itself (the editable wiki source of the top half of the category page). Basically any valid namespace name followed by a colon removes the normal transclusion behaviour of assuming Template namespace. Or, to put it another way, it wasn't looking for "Template:Category:...". You can also do things like transclude subpages with {{/subpage}}. Murph9000 (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Cuneiform

I’ve noticed that cuneiform appears properly on my browser only irregularly. I know I’ve installed various cuneiform fonts on several occasions. With the exception of U+122B9, which appears as a black circle, every sign on List of cuneiform signs appears properly. On the other hand, on Lugal all signs (save the one that is not text but an inline image) are seen only as a box with six numbers. The same occurs on Internet Explorer. --75.190.164.194 (talk) 21:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)