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January 8

Hey There

I've got an embarrassing problem my signiture does not work! i'll put four tildes, but it turns out to be unsigned ! DistributorScientiae 00:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DistributorScientiae (talk • contribs)

Ok, my bad, I had some problems in my preferences. DistributorScientiae (talk) 00:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Downloading specific categories

Hi all,

Is there any way to download/export all the articles from a specific category and its subcategories? (The one I'm looking to download is Astronomy).

Thanks in advance! 99.67.181.117 (talk) 01:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. Yes, you can. Please see Special:Export and do it there. Best, TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 02:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

WTKK Stunt Logo Links

I have the links to all the original stunt logos thus so far for WTKK, if you're interested, to be added to the article if it's appropriate to do so. The links are there for the taking and these logos can either be used or not. I'm at least making them available so that the Wikipedia community can decide what to do with them. These are all the original logos that were found from the original stunt format websites for WTKK. This is just an attempt of an inexperienced Wikipedia user to help provide some stunt logos for the WTKK article.

As Urban contemporary, branded as "Power 96.9" - Direct Link To This Stunt Logo

As Dance, branded as "Nova 96.9" - Direct Link To This Stunt Logo

As Adult hits, branded as "96.9 Mike FM" - Direct Link To This Stunt Logo

As Classic rock, branded as "96.9 The Bone" - Direct Link To This Stunt Logo

98.229.132.126 (talk) 02:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Then be bold and make the change. It is alright if you make a mistake, because another editor will probably fix the concern directly anyways, and, if not, you will be notified in good faith, unless it is obvious vandalism or disruptive initially. TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 03:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I thought IP users could not upload images. Is that not true? RudolfRed (talk) 03:29, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

My mistake there, well, you may submit your images to files for upload. Best, TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 03:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know how to upload image files into Wikipedia; therefore, I've provided the links to all the original logo artwork image files (.PNG) so that somebody who's a bit more privy to how exactly the Wikipedia image uploading system works—and who's not just a good-faith amateur user of Wikipedia, such as me—can scoop 'em up and upload them into the WTKK article… I appreciate all the courteous replies to this posting. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Aren't there copyright issues here for the images? 07:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Official logos/trademarks are covered by WP:Fair use. Roger (talk) 08:52, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Off topic for your question, 98.229, but I find it quite wearing reading your Text With Every Word Capitalised. It's not SHOUTING, the way all caps is, but it still seems to me to be saying Look At Me I'm Terribly Important. I don't know whether other readers have a similar reaction, but that's my reaction. --ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Be thankful it's not part of an article: diff. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Segunda piel / Second Skin (1999)

This film is currently described here:

• Second Skin (2000 film)

However, although there is a film released in 2000 of this name (filmed in South Africa), the film described on this page is not that plot. The film described on this page is a Spanish film in Spanish and released in called Segunda piel released (English title Second Skin). Clearly the title of the page should show 1999, not 2000. So, not only is the page title incorrect, it also conflicts with a potential future article to which the current title would unambiguously apply. Also, since this is a Spanish film, maybe the title should be the original Spanish name? I have made the minimum edits to correct the year in the Info-box and lede paragraph, but leave it to others to review and amend the page title, inter-wiki links, etc. Enquire (talk) 04:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME, I don't think the Spanish name should be used, but the article should be moved to Second Skin (1999 film). When the South African film gets an article, it can use this name. Kayau (talk · contribs) 08:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Help on interwiki link to Wikipedia in another language

In editing Puff, the Magic Dragon to add information from the German page for the song, I found my way to Help:Interwikimedia links to learn how to make a link to a page on a WP in another language. I didn't find an answer till I got down to "Examples".

I've added a row, "Wikipedia in another language", in the main table; details are on the talk page there. Will someone more knowledgeable than I please check my work to be sure I've done it right? Thanks. --Thnidu (talk) 04:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, you've done it right, but usually we don't reference Wikipedia for Wikipedia articles, even Wikipedia in another language, because it is a little... "incestuous" to be somewhat facetious. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable secondary source, because anyone can edit it. To see why, imagine if I edited the Wikipedia article on Wikipedia to say, "Wikipedia is the most reliable encyclopaedia." and the article on Encyclopaedia to say the same thing. Then if I reference them to each other, you couldn't prove me wrong!

I presume the German article is referenced. I don't read German but (presuming again) you apparently do, so you could add the same reference as given in the German Wikipedia for that fact. Intelligentsium 04:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Sub-subbing templates

Okay, boring technical query coming up...

Suppose that I have a page, A, which contains a substitution of another page, B. Having saved this page, I then go back to page B and make some alterations - these don't show up on page A, because the data is substituted rather than transcluded. I then create a third page, C, which contains a substitution of page A. Thus, A contains {{subst:B}} and C contains {{subst:A}}. With me so far?

My question is this: will the changes made to page B be visible in the substitution on page C? Or, more broadly, does the software substitute the textual content of a page, or the page's code (and if it's the code, does it re-substitute any substituted templates)? Yunshui 雲‍水 08:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind; it occurred to me immediately after posting this that I could just try it and see, so I did. For anyone interested, it turns out the changes don't appear, so the code doesn't get re-substituted. Sorry for boring you all. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If substing B on A makes it so that subsequent changes on B don't change anything on A, substing A on C after changing B won't have any impact on the initially substed content. It doesn't "resubst" -- it substs once; period. After that, it's no longer a subst, it's just content on A. At least that's my understading... since after a subst of B on A, if you edit A, you don't see "subst B", you see the actual content that was substed then. Salvidrim! ✉

Although it seems you've answered yourself already. :) Salvidrim! ✉ 08:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

he devil is found in many strange places

to the founders of wiki and all the high board members. i'm just wondering what u did with the money you got for your souls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.89.29 (talk) 09:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

What're you trying to say?!--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 09:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

This is a page for requesting help with using and editing Wikipedia. If you have a message for the board of the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, you can find out how to contact them here. --ColinFine (talk) 11:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I bought you some proof reading lessons. Britmax (talk) 11:52, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

How do I solve "Use mdy dates from May 2012"?

Hello, basically I have noticed some articles, such as Zack Ryder, belonging to the hidden category "Use mdy dates from ____", in this case "from May 2012". Can I check whether there is a fast and efficient method in solving this problem, as the usage of mdy dates apparently requires clean-up but how do I find the mdy dates and what should I change them to? Starship.paint (talk) 11:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That's not a maintenance category but an informational one and it does not require "solving". It is added by the {{Use mdy dates}} template.--ukexpat (talk) 13:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Possibly a description at the more general Category:Use mdy dates would be helpful. Please see also WP:Date formattings. --CiaPan (talk) 13:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I still do not understand the rationale regarding images

re:File:Accuracy International AWM 338.jpg. I have received images from the rights holder along with permission to publish various images associated with three Wikipedia articles, however once uploading the first image a message has appeared stating 'This tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use.' What confuses me is that I have already laid out the fair use rationale what more must I do? Twobells (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

You munged up the template. I have fixed it.--ukexpat (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

lo, thanks. Twobells (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

On which page do you want to use that image and what is the intended purpose of the image on that page? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

See Arctic Warfare AWM and the NFUR rationale.--ukexpat (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That use is a violation of NFCC#1. Definitely replaceable with a free equivalent. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore "Permission for use on Wikipedia" is not a license that is compatible with use on Wikipedia. Wikipedia can only accept images that have been released under a free license, such as a Creative Commons license. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for how copyright owners can release their images for use on Wikipedia. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much, I hope this one is also okay: File:The Accuracy International AS-50.jpg. Twobells (talk) 19:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually that image has the same problem. Images that have not been released under a free license by their copyright owners cannot be used on Wikipedia. The only exception to this are images that are being used under a fair use claim under US copyright law. Such images need to satisfy the criteria listed at Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria in order to be usable at Wikipedia. Those two images both violate point 1 under the Policy heading on that Wikipedia page I linked. They cannot be used under a fair use claim, because both could (theoretically) replaced with freely licensed images serving the same purpose on the pages where they are being used. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I started a discussion at Wikipedia:Non-free content review#File:The Accuracy International AS-50.jpg and File:Accuracy International AWM 338.jpg. Non-free content review is the place at Wikipedia where issues related to non-free content are discussed.

@Twobells Please consider joining that discussion so that we can resolve the issues regarding those images. If you have any questions regarding the licensing, fair use etc, feel free to ask. Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 20:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe this, I explained in great detail why non-free rationale was applicable as there is NO free equivalent yet some editor blithely suggests that 'someone' take a photo and upload it, yet in 5 years no-one has. Wikipedia has permission from the rights holder to publish said images, what exactly IS the problem? Twobells (talk) 12:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC).

You email me?

you blocked my user name? #TNM the New movement? I created this company. Not sure what was meant by I may be representing something other then myself? Also You said something about an advertisement. We are a non-profit. I wrote the article in response to a million questions about what #TNM stood for. Not sure I am following you. Please explain to me what this eamil and message means. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felicia McCoud (talk • contribs) 20:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I guess you refer to the message at User talk:TNM The New Movement. As the blue box says, we have a policy against usernames that give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website. It doesn't matter whether the impression is true. You are still not allowed to have your organization as username. You should edit as an individual and not on behalf of an organization. We have the same rules for commercial and non-commercial organizations. Thanks for creating a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The bit about the advertisement: in case it's not clear from what PrimeHunter says, Wikipedia does not accept any promotional material, whether commercial or non-commercial, and irrespective of how worthy, or how dubious the product or organisation is. All articles are required to be written in a neutral point of view, based entirely on reliable published sources independent of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia. I am glad that you want to share your knowledge and information about your organization. However, there are certain criteria for what is and is not acceptable for wikipedia when it comes to content and articles. Unfortunately, on the surface it seems like your article was likely about one of those areas we don't find acceptable for inclusion. However, that is not always the case. Please see Wikipedia:YFA for more information about creating your first article. Please take a moment to read more than just "how to" create a page, but look into what sorts of pages should be created. Also look at Wikipedia:GROUP for more specific information as it relates to adding information about companies or groups. If you need further assistance or have questions, please ask! Tiggerjay (talk) 21:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Linking to a main article from a section

I'm working on the Hail to the Thief article. Under the section for the song "2+2=5", I've added some "Main|2 + 2 = 5 (song)" code, linking to the main article for that song. But for reasons I can't fathom, it appears as "'Hail to the Thief'" in the article. Take a look. Can anyone work out what I'm doing wrong? Popcornduff (talk) 20:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps confused by the presence of the = sign within the attempted link? - David Biddulph (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

A lot of people have been fooled by this template quirk. Unnamed template parameters cannot contain a '=' sign because the left hand side will be interpreted as a parameter name. {{Main|2 + 2 = 5 (song)}} was interpreted as a parameter called "2 + 2" being assigned the value "5 (song)". I have fixed it by writing {{Main|1=2 + 2 = 5 (song)}}. "1" is an optional name of the first "unnamed" parameter in a template. "1" is usually omitted but it's needed if the parameter has a '='. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Ingenious! I would never have figured that out. Thanks a bundle. Popcornduff (talk) 20:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The Ann Frank Story

The Ann Frank Story in the United States.... Please monitor: [address redacted by User:Dweller] update..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.215.136.66 (talk) 22:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for contacting Wikipedia. I've removed your postal address, as we won't be corresponding by post. Your question or comment is not clear. Please can you restate it clearly? If English isn't your first language, you can post in another language and someone will translate. --Dweller (talk) 22:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked at a few of our many Ann Frank articles. I found a redlink IP edit in Template:Cultural depictions of Anne Frank that seems fishy. Does it need revert as spam?--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Charges

I was charged 59$.16 from this site that was not authorized from anyone. Please return my cash or I will take legal actions immediatly.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.37.6 (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Jayron32 23:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

On the off chance that you refer to the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia, see wmf:Frequently asked questions#What is your refund policy? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)