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reference

Hi, We have just written a book dealing with historical information. Can I place it on the refence list in relevant Wikepedia sites? The ISBN number has not yet been issued and it's currently being published. Should I indicate the relevant page numbers? Thanks, Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.39.81.8 (talk) 00:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I would first advise you to read WP:SPS and WP:COI. Yes you should include page numbers. Template:Cite book will help you with referencing a book. CTF83! 02:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Whoa, slow down. How do we even know that this book dealing with historical information is a reliable source?--ukexpat (talk) 02:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Should I just link to WP:V instead of SPS? Also read WP:RS, or whatever else Ukexpat has to offer. CTF83! 02:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Peter here again. What does Ukexpat mean. How does anyone prove that a book is a reliable source? We are happy to provide information but we have found many conflicting sources on Wikipedia ourselves. We are either using original documents or we are quoting from other Wikipedia references. Totally mystified! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.39.81.4 (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

PDF file I found on a Google search

The 9th result in this google search is a pdf document called MANUEL QUIROGA, O VIOLINISTA ESQUECIDO. I can open it, read it, all good.

I want to use it as a citation for Manuel Quiroga (violinist), but can't see how to reference it, as it does not have a web address.

I've found a thing called http://centros.edu.xunta.es/cmus, but that leads to a dead end. Any ideas? Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 03:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Cite it like any document, with author, date, title, etc. Salvidrim! ✉ 03:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm unclear. I want readers to be able to click on a link and find themselves reading exactly what I read when I found the page in my search. What would be the syntax of that link if I have no web address I can quote? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Use cite web with the parameter |format=pdf and the link is this.

"MANUEL QUIROGA, O VIOLINISTA ESQUECIDOnovo!" (pdf) (in Spanish). Retrieved 10 January 2013.

And fill out other parameters as needed. FYI, the on-site source is here. Salvidrim! ✉ 04:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It has an address but it's obscured in the Google page and not displayed when you click the link. Your browser may display the address somewhere when you hover over the link without clicking it. Here it is: http://centros.edu.xunta.es/cmusprofesionalsantiago/cms/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=145&Itemid=68. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, all. Exactly what I needed. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 05:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Don't know where to start

Hi everyone,

I am a chemistry PhD candidate at a state university interested in contributing to science-related articles. I understand the basic principals of editing (I've IP edited many times), but I wouldn't know where to begin with, say, making a new page for a molecule that doesn't have an entry. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Caffeinated Chemist (talk • contribs) 04:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello Caffeinated Chemist. Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry is probably a good place to start. There's a daughter project named Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals. I hope that gets you in the direction you are looking for. --Jayron32 05:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Unable to move pages

Resolved

Why am I unable to rename File:20130103 Give and go (1).jpg (as well as images 2-5 in the series) by moving it at commons? I have tried various names and keep getting the error that a file with that name already exists.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

What are you trying to move it to? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Because http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20130103_Give_and_go_(2).jpg already exists? RudolfRed (talk) 05:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

As you said, the error said "that a file with that name already exists"; it seems that'd indeed the case... I'm unsure what confusion there is to be had? Salvidrim! ✉ 05:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Trying to move these to File:20130103 UofM fast break (1).jpg or something similar.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I just moved the first one, is that what you wanted? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Can you do 2-5.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

• Images now moved.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:49, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

information reg.,

hello.i am vinay and i would like to know few details that can i keep articles of wikipedia in my website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satikavinaykumar (talk • contribs) 04:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. It should get you started on how to do this properly. --Jayron32 05:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Hello,

I was reading up on the Soviet Union page of Wikipedia and found a major error. Apparently some editor put something about Stalin killing monkey men. It's on the details page under the GPD of the USSR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.219.229.139 (talk) 05:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Could you give the exact title of the page where you read this? It will help us find it. --Jayron32 06:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Never mind. It was removed here: [1]. Actually by you. Well done. --Jayron32 06:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Not so well, actually. The absurd part was put in place of some valid and valuable text ([2]), it should have been reverted rather than removed (and finally Majora4 fixed that [3]). --CiaPan (talk) 07:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh come now, you can't expect a person making their first edit to know how to do all that. 108.219.229.139 did a great job, removing the incorrect information, and posting here so we could check. Kudos to you, and thanks for letting us know! Prodego ^talk 07:56, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Micahel A Potter article rejected twice

Dear Wikipedia,

I have recently written an article on Michael A Potter User:Klaudia.darbinova/sandbox

This article has been written on behalf of my CEO, Mr Potter, who is a global HR and Management consultant.

The article has been rejected twice due to insufficient evidence of the subject's notability. I have read your page on referencing etc but I still don't understand what is there in my article that wikipedia does not like? Could you please kindly advise me on what I can do to improve my page?

Thanks,

Klaudia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klaudia.darbinova (talk • contribs) 09:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on the referencing concerns of the article draft itself, but I very strongly recommend that you read our policy about conflicts of interest, which lay out clear guidelines in regards to editing an article on the subject's behalf, especially when it is done on a professional (thus likely remunerated) basis. :) Salvidrim! ✉ 09:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

First, two thirds of the article has no inline citations at all. Secondly, most of the citations simply show that he has spoken at conferences: I have not looked at the sources, but I doubt whether most of them say more than that he was a speaker. Thirdly half the article is about the details of his sporting career as a boy: apart from being unreferenced, most of this information is simply inappropriate in an encyclopaedia article, since it does not appear to have anything to do with why he is notable (if he is). But the main thing is that the article does not contain the citations to significant coverage of the topic in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject which constitute notability for Wikipedia articles. This coverage may exist: but the article must directly say so, or it will be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Forgive me for being blunt, but at the moment the draft reads like an advertisement/resume for the guy masquerading as an article.--ukexpat (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding a page of a young author

User:Pdhillon2/sandbox

Hi

I am new with Wikipedia. I want to add a page on a very young author who was nominated for the Golden quill award. I have created it in my sandbox but how do I publish and add the page to Wikipedia?

Kind Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdhillon2 (talk • contribs) 10:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

In its current form the page would be deleted from article mainspace almost immediately; there are several issues you need to address before it can be "published".

• The draft has no sources. You need to provide at least two reliable, independent sources that talk about Khosla in depth.
• The formatting needs to be corrected; other editors can help you with this, but you would do well to read up on the layout guidelines and the basic markup commands.
• The article contains information that is not verified (e.g. sales figures, award nominations). Again, you need to provide sources proving these claims.

Once these issues have been dealt with, the most sensible thing to do would be to submit the page to Articles for creation; to do this, place the code {{AFC submission}} at the top of the page, and an automated program will move it to AFC for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you should place {{subst:submit}}on it when you are ready to have it reviewed. Mdann52 (talk) 13:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Whoops; yes of course - same template, but the {{subst:submit}} will timestamp it correctly; thanks Mdann52. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

dates

hvad, gør skabelonen use my dates (month, year). --89.249.2.53 (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

(Google translate: This is Danish for "what makes the template")

We don't have a template named "use my dates", only {{use mdy dates}} and {{use dmy dates}}. You can read about them by clicking those links. As to "what makes them", they were created by the Wikipedia editors listed on their history pages, and they are added to articles by Wikipedia editors who care about date formats. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I suspect "gør" here means "does", rather than "makes", and the question means "what does the template do?" --ColinFine (talk) 15:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Help with title article

Hello, i need help with an article about the university i am working at. I was currently assigned to update the wiki page but i noticed a typo in the articles title from the previous creator. However i don't see option about setting that right, i read somewhere that i need an account older than 4 days and more than 10 edits on articles before i can have the option of editing articles title.

Since this a as an urgent matter can you help me about setting this right, the article in question is this: University for Information Science and Technology "St. Paul The Apostole"

the typo in question is the "o" in "Apostole" wich should be "Apostle".

Thanks in advance for your help.

12:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goran.petroski (talk • contribs)

I have moved the article to the corrected title. I am now trying to make it read less like an advertisment / official prospectus. There might not be is not much left after this. Please read our guidance on conflicts of interest before editing the article further. Bencherlite^Talk 12:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Please tell whoever assigned you this task that you should not be doing so, and nor should anybody else they assign, because you will all have a conflict of interest (see Bencherlite's link). What you may do is make suggestions for changes on the article's Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

From looking at the website shouldn't the title be St. Paul The Apostle University for Information Science and Technology.--ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Origin of a name

How to search for the origin of a name (Kennis)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennisforex12 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The word "kennis" is "knowlege" in Dutch/Flemmish/Afrikaans. BTW your username seems to be a violation of the Username rules as it resembles the name of a company or other organisation. Roger (talk) 14:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

This page is for help about using and editing Wikipedia. I guess you have already tried searching in Wikipedia without success. It is possible that people at the Wikipedia Reference Desk may have some suggestions, if you ask there. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Article title change (2)

Pat Farrell (politician)

Hi if anyone could remove the politician title from the article as it is not an accurate description, as the person concerned was an employee of a political party, not a politcian, and resigned from this position over 16 years ago. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cianf (talk • contribs) 13:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Now at Pat Farrell and the dab page in the way moved to Pat Farrell (disambiguation). Bencherlite^Talk 13:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Orange Mike | Talk 13:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Mysterious Cite error message on Nelson Mandela

A "Cite error: <ref> tags exist, but no <references/> tag was found" note appears on the Nelson Mandela article below the Reflist. I have failed to find the cause, I can't see any ref markup after the Reflist. Please help. Roger (talk) 14:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Got it - a malformed addition to the Further Reading section. I've taken it out; I'll reformat it properly in a moment. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I read right through it multiple times but it simply refused to fire the necessary neurons... Roger (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Espen Hammer

The photograph appearing to the right of Espen Hammer, the Norwegian philosopher, is not of him but of his wife. It needs to be replaced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.17.247 (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Which page are you referring to? There is no photograph in Espen Hammer. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

James Ursini

I noticed by page on Wikipedia was deleted. I do not understand why. I am a writer with over 25 books. I have been a teacher for thirty years. In addition I am world-recognized authority on Film Noir.

If you google me you will find numerous entries which verify info in the article.

Sincerely,

James Ursini — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amontillado50 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

James Ursini was deleted pursuant to the WP:PROD process. Having done some Googling myself, I think there is a prima facie case for notability here per WP:BIO so I will ask for the article to be undeleted, but that doesn't mean that an WP:AFD discussion won't be initiated.--ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The article could really use more bio info (photo, parents, early years, spouse/partner, children, etc.) and any education career highlights. Unfortunately, I'm not finding any with a search. Most hits are just copies of WP or IMDb. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 11:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I need process flow diagram of butyryl chloride may any one help me plz.

every thing is given as far as butyryl chloride is concern but its process glow diagram is missing as well as its energy and material balance eqation is also missing . i need at least its process flow diagram .plz help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Er.pranav kumar (talk • contribs) 15:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

• This help? --Canoe1967 (talk) 20:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Markup help needed

Can someone help me fix the 'show' button at User:Dougweller/talkheader? The bottom one where it says "Did I delete your page, block you, or do something else that I should not have done?". Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I adjusted the width of the red box. Now it doesn't go out of the screen to the right side (at least in my browser) anymore as it did before. Is that the appearance you sought? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 17:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

That's fantastic, thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

That sounds odd. In which browser does it become more narrow when you increase [4] the width? For me in Firefox, it looked fine before but now it goes off the right side. Setting a high pixel width sounds like a bad idea because it goes off many narrow screens. Why not 100%? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

In my browser (Safari), in this revision the red box is approximately 1/5 shorter on the right side than the other two boxes. After my edit it has the same width as the green and orange boxes. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused. First you said the red box went out of the screen to the right side before. Now you say it was shorter than the other boxes before. How wide are the other boxes for you? For me the other boxes filled the screen both before and after. The red box went from being narrower than the screen to wider than the screen. The width is set in absolute pixels instead of a percentage. That means the width relative to the screen will vary wildly between users. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I think my head isn't completely here at the moment ^^. It never went out of the screen, it was just shorter than the screen width, so what I said in my first reply is not correct. I guess I need some sleep .... -- Toshio Yamaguchi 20:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:05, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Costa Concordia disaster

Hello, I am planning to break-out the wreck recovery and wreck site remediation on Costa Concordia disaster (see Talk:Costa Concordia disaster), since there will undoubtedly be an explosion of editing once the salvage crew starts to attempt to roll the wreck and re-float it. However, some years ago, when I merged two parallel (duplicate) articles, one editor vociferously accused me of copyright violation (I did a cut-and-paste from the duplicate article into the primary one, clean-up edit of the merged primary article and created a re-direct from the duplicate to the primary). I was baffled, since this is all within Wikipedia. I imagine that he/she was concerned about attribution of prior edits. Is this an issue? Is there any basis for concern about copyright violation in this situation? More specifically, is there any way to accomplish a cleavage of the wreck recovery and site remediation section while transferring past edit history? I doubt this is possible since past history is for the whole page, but maybe there is a way to transfer edit histories for the sections that are moved? I assume that a cut-and-paste operation would accomplish this, unless there is a more sophisticated tool or protocol. Please advise if there any rules or procedures that I should be aware of.
Regards, Enquire (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste is not permitted, because the edit history is lost. What is done in a case such as this (and this requires the assistance of an admin) is that the old version is moved to the new name and deleted from the old version; then the old version is restored under the old name. The result is two articles with different names, each with an identical edit history, for proper attribution. (And yes, there is a copyright issue, because a cut-and-paste loses all those edits and the attributions thereof; while the process I'm describing does not.) --Orange Mike | Talk 19:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. We can't don't typically split the history during a normal article split, but we can use the templates to provide attribution. The template syntax is tricky, so expect a bit of trial and error. Monty₈₄₅ 19:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The original article must be credited with a link when content is copied or moved. See Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. I haven't heard of the procedure Orangemike refers to, and don't know whether it's possible to duplicate a page history like that. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Macedonian writers

PLEASE, EDIT THE PICTURE FROM VASIL TOLEVSKI, PUT IT ON THE SITE (FOR BETTER TO BE SEEN HIS PICTURE): List of Macedonian writers#T — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olgica Tolevska (talk • contribs) 19:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Which image do you want to place in the article? Ruslik_Zero 19:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the code that purported to add an image to the list as File:Vasil tolevski.jpg does not exist on Wikipedia or on Commons.--ukexpat (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Correcting info

I cannot seem to correct some information, nor can I email Wikipedia using the address provided; here is the email I tried to send with the correction:

The page lists Bonnie's first appearance as 1969; that is not correct. Bonnie was on an episode of The High Chaparral in 1968. She played the daughter of a half-breed Indian, played by Robert Loggia. Here is an excerpt from The High Chaparral web page: Character Highlights: Good episode for Mano fans since we get to see him without a shirt here, if only briefly. There is more tension here between Mano and Buck than usual with Buck taking an uncharacteristically harsh stand against Tina as a "breed". Mano is charming as usual, but also particularly sweet and compassionate. There is an unintentionally humorous scene where Rebel (Buck’s horse) very nearly wrecks the scene by head butting Mano while he is delivering his lines. Cameron Mitchell saves the scene by ignoring it and getting Henry’s line out of him anyway. Robert Loggia does an excellent job as the evil Chio and a young Bonnie Bedelia is also very convincing as the intense but confused Tina.

Sent from my iPhone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.149.90 (talk) 20:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

We have more than 4 million articles. Which one are you referring to? I tried to search but couldn't guess it. The High Chaparral doesn't Bonnie Bedelia, and Bonnie Bedelia doesn't mention The High Chaparral. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Found it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Biographical Information

My name is Eric Raines and I currently hold the position as an Senior Ombudsman Specialist for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. I have worked with the agency for almost 30 years. I have been involved lately in regulating the banking industry and more recently served as the media contact at bank closing actities. I have been quoted in several publications about "why banks fail". I would like to have my history as a bank regulator and educational accomplishment noted in your publication.

Thanks,

Eric R. Raines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.176.16.8 (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Added source template.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

A Larger Logo Image Link for the Logo of WTKK Has Been Found

For WTKK, I was able to locate an even larger Logo Image Link than the image curently being used. Thank you for your time. 66.134.4.162 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Per the non free use criteria the current version is big enough.--ukexpat (talk) 21:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. 66.134.4.162 (talk) 21:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Fundamental Improvement Needed in Wikipedia Article on term "Mulatto"

January 11, 2013

Dear Wikipedia,

The term "Mulatto", was originated by Spanish Arab conquerors in South America, as a derogatory term used to refer to people born from sexual reproduction between Spanish Arab conquerors, Black Negro slaves, and Indigenous Indians. The term is derived from the term "mule",an animal which is a combination of a horse and a donkey. The term was intended by it's Spanish Arab Conqueror creators, as a derogatory, and comedic term, comparing the people born from sexual reproduction between Spanish Arab conquerors, Black Negro slaves, and Indigenous Indians, to animals, with a clear intention that these people should be considered less than human, or of a class of people that are not considered to be full humans and therefore should not have full participation and full legal rights in society. There is a parallel between the term "mulatto" and the term "nigger". The terms are equally derogatory.

Additionally, the term "mulatto", carries with it a connotation of slavery, a connotation of deprivation of human rights and legal rights, and a subordinate status in society.

I feel your current article does not reflect this strongly enough. It is not immediately clear from reading the article that the term "mulatto" is a derogatory term, carrying connotations of slavery, deprivation of human rights and legal rights, and a subordinate status in society. The term has an equivalent derogatory connotation to the term "nigger", and this should be clear in your article.

Regards.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.134.4.162 (talk • contribs)

Whether these assertions are accurate or not (I'd have to do some research), this should be discussed at Talk:Mulatto, not here. Have you done so? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

What we certainly should not do is to enter into protracted discussion here about sources such as this one, which offers an interesting comparison; when Britain ruled India, Anglo-Indian marriages were actually encouraged by the British East India Company, who "would even pay a sum for every child born of these cross-cultural unions". A century later, it was Indians who stigmatised and stereotyped the offspring, not the British (or so the article implies). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Delete Picture

I would like the following picture deleted because I have uploaded the wrong one.

File:Picture of Brennan Baker, Fall 2006.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmbaker88 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done by User:Prodego CTF83! 01:12, 12 January 2013 (UTC)