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The Dhammakaya Movement or Dhammakaya tradition is a Thai Buddhist tradition which was started by Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro in the early 20th century. It is connected to several temples which refer back to Wat Paknam Bhasicharoen in Bangkok for their ancestry. The movement practices Dhammakaya meditation (Vijja Dhammakaya). Central to the movement is the idea that Dhammakaya meditation was the method through which the Buddha became enlightened, a method which was forgotten but has been revived by Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro.
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- Contributor(s): Thanissaro, Wikiman5676 and Farang Rak Tham.
I am nominating this Good Topic because nine ten articles on this topic are Good Articles. I have been a main contributor to all of the articles here, though most of them were started by other editors in the early 2000s.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC) Updated number.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Undecided On the fence on if Tantric_Theravada should be included in the topic, I'm leaning towards no overall, since if Tantric Theravada has to be included, it's not a GA status yet. ᵀᵒᵐᵃˢTᴏᴍᴀsₜₒₘₐₛ ⓣⓐⓛⓚ 14:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- that's interesting. I never thought of that. I wouldn't include tantric Theravada personally. I would argue the other way around. If tantric Theravada was a topic dhammakaya movement should be included. But since tantric Theravada includes other traditions including some outside of Thailand I wouldn't consider that necessary for the dhammakaya movement. Like Catholicism being a good topic and not including the Bible. Although relavent it's not specific to the overall topic. I am a contributor to this topic just so you know. Just sharing my opinion. Wikiman5676 (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- Tantric Theravada is a historical tradition that is no longer alive, but has affected Buddhism in many countries in South and Southeast Asia. I wouldn't mind bringing it up to GA level and including it, but sooner or later there will be some editor who will protest for sure. It is much broader than the specific Dhammakaya tradition, and much more ancient. Dhammakaya tradition is usually understood to have started in the beginning of the 20th century, whereas Tantric Theravada is traced by scholars such as Crosby and Skilton to at least the 18th century, and there is epigraphical evidence that points to earlier dates.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Ah, that makes more sense. I'm not completely familiar with the topic, so I didn't know for sure. In that case, it seems all good to me. ᵀᵒᵐᵃˢTᴏᴍᴀsₜₒₘₐₛ ⓣⓐⓛⓚ 15:09, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- Tantric Theravada is a historical tradition that is no longer alive, but has affected Buddhism in many countries in South and Southeast Asia. I wouldn't mind bringing it up to GA level and including it, but sooner or later there will be some editor who will protest for sure. It is much broader than the specific Dhammakaya tradition, and much more ancient. Dhammakaya tradition is usually understood to have started in the beginning of the 20th century, whereas Tantric Theravada is traced by scholars such as Crosby and Skilton to at least the 18th century, and there is epigraphical evidence that points to earlier dates.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- that's interesting. I never thought of that. I wouldn't include tantric Theravada personally. I would argue the other way around. If tantric Theravada was a topic dhammakaya movement should be included. But since tantric Theravada includes other traditions including some outside of Thailand I wouldn't consider that necessary for the dhammakaya movement. Like Catholicism being a good topic and not including the Bible. Although relavent it's not specific to the overall topic. I am a contributor to this topic just so you know. Just sharing my opinion. Wikiman5676 (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm not familiar with this part of the project (this is my first time here), but looking at the criteria I must say Phra/Luang Por Dhammajayo seems to be a glaring omission. I note that there has been uncertainty as to whether his biography should be a separate article as a lot of it is redundant to the temple's, but I think unless consensus to merge is established it will need to be separately developed into a Good Article for the topic to qualify. In any case, the contributors have indeed done excellent work on the topic. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:58, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- From my understanding that article can't qualify for GA status because its so similar to the other articles. about 95% of that article was basically copied from the Wat Phra Dhammakaya or History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya page. If thats not an issue for GA status then yeah, I would agree it would be required unless there was consensus to simply merge it. Wikiman5676 (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- Wikiman5676, i'd say we merge. Luang por's history is intertwined with that of Wat Phra Dhammakaya.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm still pretty unsure about the merging thing. I think I'd rather stay undecided on whether to merge those pages or not. Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- No consensus on merging, but I don't think the article about Luang Por Dhammajayo is that similar to Wat Phra Dhammakaya. So I have nowe submitted Luang Por Dhammajayo for GA.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Luang Por Dhammajayo has now been passed for GA, and has been included. Let me know your thoughts, Paul 012.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- No consensus on merging, but I don't think the article about Luang Por Dhammajayo is that similar to Wat Phra Dhammakaya. So I have nowe submitted Luang Por Dhammajayo for GA.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm still pretty unsure about the merging thing. I think I'd rather stay undecided on whether to merge those pages or not. Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Wikiman5676, i'd say we merge. Luang por's history is intertwined with that of Wat Phra Dhammakaya.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- From my understanding that article can't qualify for GA status because its so similar to the other articles. about 95% of that article was basically copied from the Wat Phra Dhammakaya or History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya page. If thats not an issue for GA status then yeah, I would agree it would be required unless there was consensus to simply merge it. Wikiman5676 (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support now. Great work. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Paul 012.
--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:38, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Paul 012.
- Support. –Vami_IV✠ 23:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 21:06, 23 August 2018 (UTC)