Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Rep. Marriott H. Brosius

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 26 May 2014 at 20:37:56 (UTC)

Original – Bureau of Engraving and Printing engraved portrait of Rep. Marriott H. Brosius, PA, 10th district, 1889 – 1901

Reason: High quality, high EV. The article originally had no image of the subject and this engraving is far superior to the only other image on Commons (that I was able to locate).
Articles in which this image appears: Marriott H. Brosius
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Political
Creator: Bureau of Engraving and Printing, restored by Godot13

Support original or Alt2 as nominator – Godot13 (talk) 20:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the benefit to cropping the name completely making the thumb of the image larger.-Godot13 (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question Would you be opposed to preparing an alt for consideration that contained significantly less whitespace around the edges? I think it would help the image 'pop' in thumbnail form. I don't know if there's a medium/context specific reason not to do that, though. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:11, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1

ALT 2

Cropped ALT added. Is this what you had in mind?-Godot13 (talk) 04:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Much better. I might even have cut some of the white space between the bottom of the portrait oval and the line of text, or cut the text entirely, but I can be an aggressive cropper and this is acceptable as is. Quality is there, as is EV. Support. Sven Manguard Wha? 13:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be incined to add more head room back, keeping the crop on the sides, to balance the caption. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 14:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support, currently by far prefer original. Strongest Possible "Burn It To The Ground" Oppose Alt 2 We are not in the business of mangling historic works to make them fit modern sensibilities. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 14:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Adam. The crop is a bit too far over the line re: balance. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT2 as well. Oppose ALT1. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not convinced of the utility of the caption at all, to be honest. It doesn't really enhance this as a portrait of Brosius, which is how we're using it; if anything, it makes the image less useful, as it means the portrait itself is smaller at thumbnail size. J Milburn (talk) 18:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a second alt. I think that the crop is centered, but I didn't measure it too precisely. Someone may want to redo it if it's not exact enough. I have pulled my support for the first alt and support alt 2 only. Pinging Adam Cuerden, Crisco 1492, J Milburn, and of course Godot13. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:55, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the purpose of this image , per J Milburn, I think Alt 2 would work.-Godot13 (talk) 20:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alt2: Beautiful image, fits well on the page, eye-catching. While I share the previous issues, the second alt addresses them nicely. Also: I am new, hopefully I am formatting this correctly. Let me know if not. Samecircle_productions — Preceding undated comment added 23:26, 25 May 2014‎
Oppose original and alt1, support alt2. No "mangling" is taking place. A portrait's a portrait whether or not it uses the original captions, watermarks or anything of the like. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, it really is not. 18th and 19th century engravings - which is what the is, not a photograph - have a very distinct aesthetic. The caption forms part of that. This is a terrible precedent to set. This is why we have a number of works on commons, bereft of their original context, that cannot easily be restored. A complete work should be a requirement at FPC, and I think that voting for a mangled work is shameful. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 14:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think that argument would hold water if we were promoting this as an example of an engraving, or as a piece of artwork in its own right, but we aren't. We have to ask what is useful for the article; we cannot judge the image independently of its use. J Milburn (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:BROSIUS, Marriott (BEP engraved portrait) (name cropped out).jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]