Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Eritrean Railway

Eritrean Railway

Original - Eritrean Railway, showing mountainous terrain traversed between Arbaroba and Asmara. Photo taken on 4 November 2008.

Edit1 by jjron. Adjusted levels, reduced highlights, and sharpened.

Reason: Self nom. After discussion at Picture Peer Review, and with User:jjron, I have decided to nominate this image. I believe it has good composition, and well represents the mountainous terrain traversed by this remarkable railway. jjron has made some digital tweaks to improve the contrast, which can be seen in this image.

Edit 2 of original, by Papa Lima Whiskey. Reduced fade, a touch of white balance. No sharpening.

Edit 3 by Fir0002. Downsampled as well as sharpening/levels

Articles this image appears in: Eritrean Railway
Creator: Tivedshambo

Support as nominator -- — Tivedshambo _(t/c) 12:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Loved it at PPR, and it's still (somehow, ;)) quite good. —Ceran ♦ ♦ (speak) 13:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support because of high enc, and because it just looks so cute - like a model railroad! Technically, it could be sharper, but we can't always get all we want... --Janke | Talk 15:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Question What does this illustrate about Eritrean railways? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 16:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a photo of a steam train crossing one of the many viaducts on the Eritrean Railway. The line runs from sea level at the port of Massawa, climbing severe gradients to a height of over 7,000 feet (2,100 m) at the Eritrean capital, Asmara. Whilst a railway like this is not unique, it is certainly very unusual. This photograph helps to show the terrain the line runs through, and give some indication of how high the line climbs. Hope this answers your question! — Tivedshambo _(t/c) 16:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support either, preference to Edit1. As per my comments at PPR; no it's not technically perfect, especially with sharpness, but to me the minor technical flaws are not deal breakers, given the good composition and EV, and its illustration of places and things somewhat under-represented in FPs. The edit just adds a bit more 'punch' (hope you don't mind me adding it for consideration). --jjron (talk) 07:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify: Support Edit1 in preference to Original, Oppose Edit2 & Edit3. --jjron (talk) 11:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support original the sharpness is just about acceptable. I can't support edit 1, sorry - the sharpening doesn't really add any detail and just emphasises the noise. Time3000 (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support ~~either~~ any edit Levels adjustment makes a bigger difference than any adjustment in sharpening etc. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support edited images -Great shot! Very good composition and high educational value although if the image has more clear tone, it would've been perfect. How did you take it, just from a higher road?--Caspian blue 01:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The image is now geocoded, so you can see for yourself, but the most likely candidate is a higher road. Noodle snacks (talk) 07:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was from the beside the public road from Asmara from Massawa. — Tivedshambo _{(t/c) (logged on as Pek)} 07:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose I quite like this scene - makes me want to go photograph Puffing Billy - but unfortunately the technical quality is rather poor --Fir0002 06:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Edit 3 --Fir0002 06:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I tried a downsample too when I first did my edit. As I commented at PPR "A downsize to about 1600px wide helps and still easily makes the FPC size limits, but consequently makes the central feature, the train, a bit insignificant in size." That's why I eventually decided the bigger version was better despite the technical concerns that get more 'hidden' when downsized. --jjron (talk) 06:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit 3, weak support others Definitely captivates my interest. Not to many FP's from Eritrea. Spencer^T♦^C 02:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, Support edit 1 after further viewing. Spencer^T♦^C 21:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit 3 Down sampling was a good idea as were the adjustments to contrast ect. Unusual subject matter overrides minor technical problems. --Leivick (talk) 07:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit1 In this case I prefer to see the detail even if it exposes more of the flaws. Don't really oppose the other edits, though. Fletcher (talk) 00:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Opppose edit 3 per jjron. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 22:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Eritrean Railway - 2008-11-04-edit3.jpg --Wronkiew (talk) 07:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No way, that edit was explicitly rejected by two, and only explicitly supported by three. Additionally, you have to exclude any of the !votes that supported "any edit" before edit 3 was nominated. I just can't see how you can come to the conclusion that edit 3 is the supported version in this case. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This should probably be reopened due to a premature closing. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus is unclear, relisted for further discussion Wronkiew (talk) 06:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you need extra input, I prefer original or edit 1. --Janke | Talk 14:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC) (Moved from above to correct position)[reply]

Comment - my preference is for original or edits 1 or 2. Sorry Fir, but I find edit 3 a little bit over-bright, and I prefer images to be as large as possible. — Tivedshambo _(t/c) 07:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Eritrean Railway - Tivedshambo 2008-11-04-edit1.jpg --Wronkiew (talk) 08:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]