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List of works by Francisco Salamone

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List of works by Francisco Salamone (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Yilku1 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because Salamone is one of the most unique architects in Argentina, with a Metropolis-inspired style. I went to the library of the architecture school in my city to read the books to make this article. Yilku1 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

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Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

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  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 19:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done Yilku1 (talk) 17:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

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  • "The majority of his work consisted mainly of" - no need to say both "the majority of" and "mainly" so get rid of one
  • "he only built 2 private homes" => "he only built two private homes"
  • "only projected 2 buildings" - the number should be written as a word. Also, I have no idea what you mean when you say he "projected" two buildings. This verb does not make sense in this context in English.
  • Capitalisation of most of the headings is wrong. Only the first word should be capitalised.
  • One address and a few dates are missing. Are these not known?
  • Almost all of the notes are not full sentences so they don't need full stops. The one word note "Extension" certainly doesn't need one.
  • "For the following works it can not be fully confirmed the authorship of Salamone." => "For the following works the authorship of Salamone cannot be fully confirmed." -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done The missing dates are not listed in my sources. Yilku1 (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alavense

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  • more than 60 monumental buildings in Buenos Aires Province - Maybe in the Buenos Aires Province?
  • After several problems - What kinds of problems?
  • the task of building different public buildings - Erecting? Constructing? Find something to avoid the repetition.
  • giving him full powers for his projects, encouraging the growth of small towns and cities - Those two gerunds in a row sound a bit odd. Maybe something along the lines of giving him full powers for his projects, which were expected to encourage the growth of small towns and cities?
  • You can say something more about Salamone in the caption of the image. In any case, it shouldn't have a full stop, as it's not a complete sentence.
  • municipalities - Maybe you mean city hall?
  • cemeteries portals - cemetery portals
  • In Argentina the territorial divisions of second order are called Partidos in the Buenos Aires and Departamentos in the other provinces - No need for the uppercase in Partidos or Departamentos.
  • The town of Vicente López covers the whole Partido of the same name - Same with Partido.
  • Consider using {{ill}} to link cities and towns which don't have an article on this Wikipedia.
  • Consider splitting the references into two columns.
  • Many of the issues raised above by ChrisTheDude have not been addressed yet, I'm afraid.

I still have to take a look at the table, but I'd rather wait until you take previous comments into consideration. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Yilku1 (talk) 23:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think many of the suggestions haven't been taken into account yet. As ChrisTheDude pointed out, there are many notes which probably could do without the full stops. The caption could have a bit more than just the name of the architect. I notice now, as well, that this list is probably a translation of the Spanish one? In that case, the translation would need an attribution, and that's a requirement. You can read more about that here. Alavense (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What counts as full sentences and what doesn't? Does "Work by César Fernández" needs a full stop or not? Does it need attribution if I am the author of both articles? Yilku1 (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that is definitely not a full sentence. I reckon that's pretty obvious. You can find more information regarding those issues in WP:CAPTION. And I don't think the fact that you are the "author" (whatever that means) of the other article matters. I already provided a link with further information. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed more full stops. Yilku1 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just following up with @Alavense to see if all of their concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still concerned about lack of attribution for the translation, for example. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done It's in the talk page. Yilku1 (talk) 04:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review — Pass

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  • The image in the infobox is of the architect and has an appropriate public domain license.
  • The remaining images are also all relevant, being of the structures listed.
  • All the images have ALT tags, although these seem to be titles rather than descriptions.
  • The majority of the images have been uploaded to Wikimedia by their creators and have an appropriate Creative Commons license tags, including:
    • Palacio Municipal de Carhué.JPG*Municipalidad Gonzalez Chávez.jpg
    • Centro Cultural de González Chavez.JPG
    • Delegacion municipal alberdi bsas.jpg
    • Matadero de Alberdi, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
    • Municipalidad de Alberti 2019.jpg
    • Ex Club Social de Alberti bis.jpg
    • Antigua delegación municipal de Alem, provincia de Buenos Aires.jpg
    • Matadero de Alem, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
    • Salamone en Ayacucho y Alvear.jpg
    • AzulCementerio.jpg
    • Ex-Matadero Municipal de Azul.JPG
    • Cementerio Municipal de Balcarce, Obra del Arq. Salamone.jpg
    • Matadero Municipal.jpg
    • DelegacionMunicipal LagunaAlsina.jpg
    • Delegación Municipal Cacharí.JPG
    • MataderoMunicipalCacharí.jpg
    • Casa de Carlos Calegari.jpg
    • DelegacionMunicipal Casbas.jpg
    • Delegación Municipal Chillar.JPG
    • Matadero chillar.jpg
    • Delegación Coronel Mom.jpg
    • Municipalidad de Pringles (3).JPG
    • Matadero Municipal de Coronel Pringles (2).JPG
    • Casa Daneri-DSCN0142.jpg
    • Casa mdp.jpg
    • Hospital Municipal General Eustoquio Díaz Vélez.jpg
    • DelegacionMunicipal Garre.jpg
    • Palacio Municipal Guaminí 1x1.jpg
    • Matadero Guamini 2x3.jpg
    • Corralón Municipal Laprida.jpg
    • Laprida Cemetery Facade 04.JPG
    • Palacio Municipal de Laprida, fachada.JPG
    • Delegación Municipal de Los Pinos 15092013.jpg
    • DelegacionMunicipal Miranda.jpg
    • MataderoMunicipal Pellegrini.jpg
    • Palacio Municipal de Rauch.JPG
    • Escuela Secundaria Nº 1.jpg
    • Saldungaray Portal Cementerio.jpg
    • Delegación Municipal de Saldungaray 2.JPG
    • Mercado Saldungaray.jpg
    • Matadero Saldungaray 1.jpg
    • Cementerio Salliqueló.jpg
    • MataderoMunicipal Salliqueló.jpg
    • Delegación Municipal de San Agustín.jpg
    • DelegacionMunicipal TresLomas.jpg
    • MataderoMunicipal TresLomas.jpg
    • Delegación Municipal Tres Picos.jpg
    • Matadero de Vedia, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
    • Matadero Municipal de Villa Epecuén 1x1.jpg
    • Matadero Modelo Villa María.JPG
    • Municipalidad de Pringles (4).JPG
    • FuenteOrnamental Guaminí.jpg
    • Cruz del Cementerio de Carhué.JPG
    • Cruz del Cementerio.JPG
    • Cruz5.jpg
    • ViaCrucis Azul.jpg
    • Cruz Guamini.jpg
    • Portada Parque Municipal de Azul D.F.Sarmiento.JPG
    • Plaza General Arias.jpg
    • Palacio Municipal de Pellegrini, Equipamientos..JPG
    • Portal del Parque Municipal General San Martín.jpg
    • PlazaIndependencia Saldungaray.jpg
    • Plaza Juan Pascual Pringles 03.JPG
    • PlazaLeandroNAlem TresLomas.jpg
    • PlazoletaMunicipalidad Rauch.jpg
    • Plaza San Martin de Azul.jpg
  • Valle Hermoso Cine Valle de la Castellana.jpg is released by its author with a GNU license as well as a CC license.
  • The following have appropriate public domain licenses in Argentina as the images are more than 25 years old and were first published over 20 years ago:
    • Matadero de Laprida.png Municipalidad de Las Varillas.jpg
    • Municipalidad de Vedia 1940.jpg
    • Cementerio de Pilar.jpg
    • Palacio Municipal de Tornquist 1940.jpg
    • Plaza Centenario.png
    • Villa María, Boulevard España.jpg
    • Plaza Libertad Balcarce 1937.jpg
    • Plaza Pedro Pereyra 2.jpg
    • Plaza Rivadavia Vedia.jpg
    • Portal del parque Venado Tuerto.png
    • Portal del parque Garay
  • The following images are from Flicr and have been reviewed:
    • Municipalidad de Chascomús.jpg
    • Municipalidad de Pellegrini.jpg
  • The following has been released by the author into the public domain:
    • Tornquist1.jpg

In summary, the images seem relevant and have appropriate license tags. simongraham (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added these new images: File:Chascomús, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina - panoramio (27).jpg, File:Cementerio de laprida salamone.jpg, File:Plaza General San Martín (Azul, Buenos Aires).jpg. Yilku1 (talk) 04:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination has been open for over 2 months without any support for promotion. If this does not change soon the nomination will be closed. I would recommend reaching out to likely reviewers to try to get it some more attention. @Alavense: do you plan on returning to support or oppose this nomination? --PresN 18:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this list still needs quite a lot of work, as it has been pointed out by other reviewers. Alavense (talk) 07:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also pinging @ChrisTheDude: Yilku1 (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Comments by KJP1

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It's obvious a great deal of effort has gone into compiling this list, and the main editor has done a good job of presenting the information well. That being said, there are a few issues, one major, which would prevent me supporting promotion at present.

Criterion 1: Prose - "it features professional standards of writing"
  • "60 monumental buildings" - In what way are the buildings "monumental"? Are slaughterhouses, sidewalks car parks and street furniture generally monumental? More importantly, who says that they are?
  • "a new mayor was elected that started solving the municipal deficit by ending public works and accusing the former mayor of embezzlement" - this doesn't quite work. I think it is saying that a new mayor attempted to solve a municipal deficit by ending public works, and by an anti-corruption drive. This led to Salamone leaving Villa Maria due to his work drying up. But I'm not sure, as the prose is unclear.
  • "the conservative Manuel Fresco of the National Democratic Party" - a social conservative, a political conservative? Does it matter?
  • What are "cemetery portals"? Gates?
  • "of corruption in a paving work" - what is a paving work? A project to undertake the paving of streets?
  • "on two buildings of rationalist style" - link, Rationalism (architecture)?
Criterion 3: Comprehensiveness - "it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items"
  • For me, the major concern is the absence of any notes for most of the entries. This is particularly important as none of the entries in the list have standalone articles. Therefore, without any annotation, the reader is left with next to no information on the buildings themselves. Who built them/paid for them? In what style were they constructed? What functions did they serve? Do they still exist/have they been demolished/repurposed? For example, what were the "Alberdi/Alem/Bonifacio... Municipal Delegations"? Are they town halls? What happened at the "Municipal Ranch"? What was the "Spain House"? This last does have a one-word note, "Extension". But to what original structure? In this regard, the absence of a "Type/Function" column seems to me to be a weakness. There clearly are themes - lots of municipal offices/slaughterhouses/car parks/cemeteries etc. It would be helpful to be able to sort by function. Looking at some, random, current Architecture FLs, [2], I'm not immediately seeing any that have almost entirely empty Notes columns. This is the case even if many/most of the entries have standalone articles. I feel that, currently, the reader is left wanting in this regard. I'm unsure whether the main editor would be able to address this issue within the FLC, but will see what they say. At present, I would Oppose promotion. KJP1 (talk) 06:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Working in it. Yilku1 (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Fixed your points, fortunately I found a book by the National Monuments Commission listing protected buildings built by Salamone. Yilku1 (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PresN - Apologies, RL has been busy. I am afraid I am still of the Oppose view. The editor has done a grand job of responding to my concerns about the lack of Notes: but there are still gaps, e.g. "Las Varillas City Hall"; some read like quotes, but aren't attributed, "Stands out a precast Art Deco bow-shaped parasol resembling the grille of a car"; some are very brief, e.g. "Alberdi Slaughterhouse"; I don't think the repeated use of "Currently" works as it doesn't future-proof the article; and some I don't understand, what is "Oral source" and what is it sourced to? There is also a sentence in the lead that I was concerned by which hasn't been addressed. Admiring as I am of the author's efforts, I think there is more work required to bring it to FL standard than can/should take place within an active FLC. KJP1 (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination has been open well past the time it would normally be closed, so in order to move it past the finish line, pinging everyone involved who has not formally closed their review or where the nominator responded to their oppose: Alavense ChrisTheDude KJP1. Please support/oppose/recuse as appropriate. --PresN 14:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN: - I'll recuse from this one, sorry -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, with no prose supports and several opposes after multiple months, I'm going to have to close this nomination. Additionally, I have concerns that the notes added are copyright violations, given the phrasing. Feel free to renominate in the future. --PresN 16:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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