Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Malmö FF managers/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 22:05, 11 April 2012 [1].

List of Malmö FF managers

Featured list candidates/List of Malmö FF managers/archive1

Nominator(s): Reckless182 (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This list of Malmö FF managers is the third FLC nomination of Malmö FF related list from me in my pursuit to make Malmö FF a featured topic. This list features all of the managers in the history of the club complete with statistics and honours won by each manager. The list is also illustrated with relevant images and fully referenced with footnotes to further explain some things that might be confusing to the reader. I hope you enjoy the list! --Reckless182 (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Two questions, 1. would it be possibble to combine "1973–74 Svenska Cupen — Winners, 1974–75 Svenska Cupen — Winners, 1977–78 Svenska Cupen — Winners, 1979–80 Svenska Cupen — Winners" to like Svenska Cupen — Winners 1973-74, 1977-78... with small resolution (1280*1024) the cell becomes huge and makes the table harder to read. 2. should the super-cup runner up in 2011 really be an honour? It's a one match competition and the only match was lost. -Koppapa (talk) 09:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd like to stay consistent with the rest of the table, I'm not sure on how to solve the problem with the titles for Houghton. Some kind of roll-up menu would be perfect but I don't think that is possible inside a table. Svenska Supercupen is the same match format as the Community Shield albeit with a much shorter tradition, surely it should be included? --Reckless182 (talk) 11:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - A good way to get around this might be to put the honours in <small> text, and abbreviate "winners" and "runners-up" to "W" and "RU" respectively (with appropriate notes in the key). —Cliftonian (talk) 11:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Good idea! Now done. --Reckless182 (talk) 12:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The managerial history section is quite a lot of text. Would it be possible/appropriate to add some sub-sections? Looks a useful list though. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 11:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree, I'll look into it. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - This has been taken care of (thanks Cliftonian!). --Reckless182 (talk) 10:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 00:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~Add "the" to "The manager who has won most national league titles...".~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~Recent managers: "Roland Andersson them managed the club...". "them" → "then".~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~"he was replaced by Soren Akeby. Akeby...". Try not to have this kind of repetition from one sentence to another.~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~No need to have a hyphen in "widely-respected".~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is all of the material in the body text cited? I'm not sure whether the table really covers some of the finer details in the prose, which is lightly referenced.
- Which details are you referring to? In the process of writing the managerial history section I added refs for facts that wasn't already referenced in the table below as it seemed a bit redundant to source these facts twice. I'll be happy to add any refs that might be needed. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - One thing that jumped out at me was the club's relegation, since divisions aren't really covered in the table. Also, the initial entering in European competitions isn't cited. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:07, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Refs now added. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~List of managers: First two words aren't needed in the section title, since we already know it's a list.~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~"the country he played for are shown." "are" → "is".~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~"The Allsvenskan title winning seasons won while managing Malmo FF." Drop "won" since "title winning" covers the same ground (redundancy).~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~The diacritics in Soren Akeby's last name are causing him to sort out of the intended order.~~
- Åkeby is correctly sorted after Zetterlund. The Swedish letters Å, Ä and Ö follow Z in alphabetic order. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~Footnote E: "The Malmo FF team won Allsvenskan five time in a row...". "time" → "times".~~
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 3 is a little inconsistent from the other book cites with regard to formatting. I'd suggest copying the style used in the other similar refs, without the first name of the author and with the publishing year.
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (Talk) 23:32, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your feedback Giants! Always appreciated. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only other thing I see is that ref 10 could use a period at the end. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 21:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should appearances in the Royal League be counted. Wasn't this regarded as a notable competition? Eldumpo (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- No, appearances in Royal League are not notable as it wasn't recognized by UEFA and was primarily organized as a pre seasons competition. It was also short lived. --Reckless182 (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I notice large parts of the prose appear to be unreferenced with just one reference at the end of a paragraph, do these ref covers the whole paragraph?
- As I said to Giants above, the prose is covered by the table below it as well as the refs. There is no need for more refs.--Reckless182 (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
the sorting on the allsvenkan and other honours column is not correct
- I don't see any problems with them? Could specify the problem? --Reckless182 (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well when the sort button on the allsvenkan column, 1985 is at the top followed by 1965, 1974, 1950-51, 1943-44, 1948-49, 1949-50, 2004 and finally 2010, its not in the correct order. NapHit (talk) 15:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They are not sorted according to what year they were first won, that can be seen without sorting. The column in sorted after number of titles. Hodgson first with five titles, then comes Duran with four titles, Hougon with three, Turner with two and then the managers with only one title sorted according to who won the title first. --Reckless182 (talk) 16:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That needs to be made clear to the reader then, as they could interpret the table the way I did, I take it the same applies to the Other honours column as well? NapHit (talk) 19:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion it is not needed as it's stating the obvious. But I've added an explanation for both columns in the table headers section above the table. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 13:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I'm not sure I'm convinced by the wordy section headings. I know this is sometimes commonplace elsewhere but I do tend to find it a little bit tabloid, especially when a heading becomes the width of the whole page...
- The only heading that might be too long is the third one. However I think it's fine since it isn't POV. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"first team are currently playing" doubt it, they play matches in that division perhaps but are almost certainly not "currently playing"...
- Fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We also tend to avoid "currently".
- Fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"which is organised into seasons lasting" why not just "which takes place from ... to ... every season"?
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The following is a list of managers of ..." would prefer to avoid this, perhaps something like "Since the club was founded, there have been X managers ...."
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"won has been Bob Houghton" not "has been", just "is".
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
" who as manager between 1974 and 1980 led the club" commas after "who" and "1980" needed.
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The manager who has won the most national league titles ..." would lose the second "the" here.
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"and demoted a league." I get it, but reads a little odd, because it's normally a division within a league that you get demoted from...
- Fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
" and not reinstated afterwards" afterwards? seems redundant.
- Removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Konrad or Konrád, be consistent with the diacritics.
- Fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"and entered European competitions with limited success" vs "performed well in continental competitions" both link to the same article which is possibly confusing.
- Should be OK since the wikilinks are not in the same section and not referring to the same period of time. I can remove the second link if you want but I don't see a problem. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"before leaving soon after." reads a little weak, perhaps give some precise info here.
- Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"to win a single league or cup title" no need for "single".
- Removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"by a punitive demotion" explain this.
- Seems a bit redundant to do this again after having explained it in the section "Early managers (before 1936)". --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"After two rather mediocre seasons" -> "rather mediocre" sounds lame to me, and POV.
- Removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"and in doing so proved a long-standing rumour correct" (a) what rumour? (b) is this what we normally expect to read in an encyclopaedia?
- Removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"was appointed in his stead on" no need for "in his stead".
- Removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The list is sorted by number of honours won." only if you sort it that way. You mean "The cell" or something like that. Or else just order it chronologically to be consistent.
- Fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this looks good to me now. —Cliftonian (talk) 09:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks man! --Reckless182 (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support some good additions and fixes made during this FLC, good nomination, good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 12:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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