Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of First World War Victoria Cross recipients/archive1
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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 06:02, 31 July 2009 [1].
- Nominator(s): Woody (talk) 12:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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It has been a while since I have been at FLC with a Victoria Cross list but this still follows the old pattern of the other lists in the series, except this one is a bit larger; I don't envisage this list having any 3B issues ;). This list has been in development in a sandbox for about 6 months but I think it now meets all of the criteria, I hope you agree. Thanks, Woody (talk) 12:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Although I would like to see a few more images it looks like a good list. Sorry I had to change this to oppose for now, there appears to be about 35 DAB links and I would like to see those fixed before I support. --Kumioko (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixing now, but it is taking some time. Woody (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All done now thanks. Woody (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Got it thanks, I changed mine to support. --Kumioko (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All done now thanks. Woody (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - a well written, presented and referenced list. My only comment is that there is a little inconsistency with the presentation of access dates in the "References" section. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed now. Thanks, Woody (talk) 09:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] |
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*Oppose - hey Woody, welcome back.
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- Support all done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
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- Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 18:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
Comment Glad to see you back! Besides 3b, another thing that has changed is that the images need alternative text. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is one disambiguation link; check the toolbox on the right of this page. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the general references, I'm wondering if "Pan books" and "Midas books" should have "books" capitalized (picky stuff!)More pickiness: Ref 14, you have the publisher as "Australian War Memorial", but ref 15 has it as "The Australian War Memorial". Be consistent.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1SEC817715 is an encyclopedia, and should be italicized if I'm not mistaken. Also, I'm wary of its being used as a source for that specific statistic. Whenever possible, we should strive to use reliable secondary sources; tertiary sources should generally be used only for broad, summary-type statements.Ref 17, the Oxford Times should be italicized.Dabomb87 (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done all bar the AIF one. It is only known today as the 1st AIF as there was a 2nd AIF raised for the Second World War. At the time it was known as the AIF so the battalions all raised as AIF units, not 1st AIF units. As all of the British regiments are listed using their 1918 titles, I think the same should occur for the AIF.
- Thanks for the review, regards. Woody (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Any comment on the idea of sourcing "in the face of the enemy"? In may view it's such a commonplace, it could be sourced from any book on the VC that it doesn't really seem necessary, in fact, I'd say it's not really intended as a quote, but to show that in this context it's rather akin to a term of art. David Underdown (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah yes, didn't do that one as well, though my opinions mirror yours David. It is extremely commonplace in my mind akin to "Elizabeth is the rightful Queen of England". Woody (talk) 09:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree; it's not material that is "likely to be challenged". Striking. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No, I don't think it is. ;) Many thanks for your review. Woody (talk) 16:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree; it's not material that is "likely to be challenged". Striking. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah yes, didn't do that one as well, though my opinions mirror yours David. It is extremely commonplace in my mind akin to "Elizabeth is the rightful Queen of England". Woody (talk) 09:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Any comment on the idea of sourcing "in the face of the enemy"? In may view it's such a commonplace, it could be sourced from any book on the VC that it doesn't really seem necessary, in fact, I'd say it's not really intended as a quote, but to show that in this context it's rather akin to a term of art. David Underdown (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
CommentSupport Woody, looks pretty comprehensive, but I think that if you're going to give a potted account of the war, you need to relate more of the points back to the decoration in question, otherwise it doesn't tell me anything I couldn't find in the dedicated WWI article. You relate things back to the VC with the Somme and Jutland, for instance, so why not the same with each of the Dominion contributions you mention? Also since we're mentioning the naval war, why not also the air war? After a sentence beginning "The war was not just fought on land...", I fully expected to hear about the more recent innovation of aerial warfare - especially since there were air VCs as well. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a fair point. As you can imagine it is very hard to distill down information to this level given the huge wealth of information that could be included. How do these edits look? I have tried to expand on your points. I don't think it is this lists job to talk about the technological advances in too much detail, that is what the Aviation in World War I link I have just added is there to do. Regards, Woody (talk) 12:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Absolutely, no need to go into too much detail, more that what detail we have should bring us back to the point of the article, which is the VC winners. I think your new edit above does that just fine - more than satisfied that my comments had been addressed. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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