Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Denver Broncos seasons/archive2

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Denver Broncos seasons

previous FLC (08:36, 17 July 2008)

Think I've addressed the issues from the last nom. Bole2 (talk) 18:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

2004 season - "Wild Card" shouldn't be capitalized, to match the rest of the table.
second sentence of the lead: "They are members of the AFC West..."
- What's your piont? Bucs (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Change it to "members of" instead of "They are in the AFC West." KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
AFC West linked twice in the lead.
Since you've linked playoffs twice in the lead to two different articles, I would suggest differentiating the second one by pipelinking it to "AFC playoffs" instead of just playoffs.
What makes nflteamhistory.com and HickokSports.com reliable sources?
- Hope these help [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
  - Certainly do. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The set pixel size should be removed from the lead image so that user preferences can take it to the proper thumb size (leave the thumb parameter, of course).
"The Broncos have been division champions ten times, all of them in the AFC West" - rephrase, this sounds and reads awkwardly.
- Any suggestions? Bucs (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perhaps "The Broncos have been AFC West champions ten times." would be easier. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"and have also earned wild card berths into the playoffs, six times." - remove the comma
"During this period the Broncos had just two losing seasons," - add comma after "period"
"were American Football Conference West Division (AFC West) champions twice and AFC champions once." - Reading this sentence aloud and looking at it intently, there seems to be a verb missing. I think it's technically grammatically correct, but I would feel much better if it read "and were AFC champions once."
"The Broncos franchise was founded on August 14, 1959 by Bob Howsam and played their first season in 1960, in Denver as part of the original American Football League (AFL)." - a reference would be very welcome here.
- See ref #1. Bucs (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK... I think you should probably reference both sentences. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Change the "AFC West Division" to "AFC West division."
Can the period from 1960 to 1975 be considered a "decline" if there was no benchmark to begin with? They can't decline from not existing. I would reword it.
- How does "deterioration" sound? Bucs (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure, that would be better. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Killervogel5

Think I've done everything now Bucs (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Killervogel5

Resolved comments from S_RX

Comments
- I feel that since the Broncos have played for both the NFL and AFL, the "NFL Season" column should be renamed to the "League Season", and the column before that should be "League." This is IMO because they have been in more than 1 league.--S_RX 01:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Changed to "ALF/NFL season" so as not to mess up wikilinks. Bucs (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What is verifying the post season results? What is verifying the divisions they played in?S_RX 14:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - The refs at the bottem. Bucs (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - My comments have been resolved and I feel that it now meets the FL Criteria.S_RX 19:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose
- Color shouldn't be the only indicator
  - Where is it a problem?
    - Wherever a color is used to indicate something.
      - Isn't the text in the cells enough? BUC (talk) 13:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        It's confusing.--Crzy cheetah 18:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Is it? BUC (talk) 20:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes.--Crzy cheetah 20:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        I don't follow BUC (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Color shouldn't be the only indicator, just add some symbols along with colors to indicate something.--Crzy cheetah 20:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        As I said before, isn't the text enough? Is say exacly what the colour indicates. BUC (talk) 16:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        And as I said before, it's not enough. It's confusing still.--Crzy cheetah 20:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)\[reply]
        I seem to be getting nowhere with working this out. Do you have a page about this you could piont me to? BUC (talk) 16:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        I just did yesterday, see the link below. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 20:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Maybe this will clarify some issues. WP:COLOR. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In the awards column, the following recipients currently cannot be verified: Craig Morton, Randy Gradishar, John Elway, and Terrell Davis.
  - See ref #4 and 5.
    - Those refs don't have any info on these guys.
      - Refs should be cited next to the names because having 6(!) references for one column is confusing.--Crzy cheetah 20:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        They were there before but I was told to put them at the top. BUC (talk) 19:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        You had two references before and that's why you were told to put them on top. Now, you added four more references, so there are six references on the top.--Crzy cheetah 21:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I see you still have that NFL link in the general references. You already have two other general refs, why do you still keep that NFL link? If you want to continue using that webpage, you need to create a new column named "refs" and put specific links on every row.
  - What wrong with it?
    - That source should be used specifically while you're using it as a general reference.
      - Is it not allowed to be a general reference? BUC (talk) 13:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        General reference is a page that contains all info needed. That NFL page does not have any info that is beneficial to this list, hence can't be used as a general reference.--Crzy cheetah 18:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        It does say "click the drop down box for yearly standings" BUC (talk) 20:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Cool! That just proves my point!--Crzy cheetah 20:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        I don't follow. BUC (talk) 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        That website has to be cited as a specific reference.--Crzy cheetah 20:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Why? BUC (talk) 16:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Because, currently, there is no info on that page. Be kind and provide pages where we can see the necessary info to verify the content of this list.--Crzy cheetah 20:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Dear me I'm going round in circles. Didn't I piont out be before that it says "click the drop down box for yearly standings". BUC (talk) 17:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Well, two years ago that would have been fine. We need specific references today. You "click the drop down box for yearly standings", copy the links and provide them here.--Crzy cheetah 19:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~HickokSports.com shouldn't be used as a source. Those links you provided above prove that pro football reference website is reliable, but not this one~~.
  - [7]. Bucs (talk) 09:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Are there any third-party sources that verify that HickokSports is reliable?
      - [8] [9] [10] BUC (talk) 13:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Fix the retrieval date for ref#8~~

--Crzy cheetah 21:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

What makes the following reliable sources?
- http://www.databasesports.com/
- ~~http://www.hickoksports.com/index.shtml~~
  - I've already covered hickoksports.com. BUC (talk) 20:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Per the MOS, titles of website links shouldn't be in all capitals (examples refs 2, 12)

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I'd like the first sentence to say how many seasons of professional football they've played in. The lead doesn't mention it at the moment.
"of the... of the... of the..." :(
"their first season in 1960, in Denver" Add "Colorado", please, so the Non-US people know where Denver is
"The first was from 1976 to 1981, ~~where~~ when the Broncos did not have a losing season"
"(a season ~~where~~ in which the team"
"were AFC West champions twice and were AFC champions once." I had to re-read this a few times as it's not a clear sentence. Could it be re-written at all?

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ping? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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