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Alanis Morissette discography

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Nominator(s): Cannot (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re-written discography of Alanis Morissette, with actual sales data and charts positions, and also added a lot of information, like music videos directors, collaborations, etc. Cannot (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on the lead only at this point...

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*No reason for discography to be in bold in the lead, would be better unbold and linked to discography.
  • Live albums are in the infobox, not in the lead, promo singles are in the lead, not the infobox.
  • "With a stage name Alanis, " - would be better as "With the stage name of Alanis, ..."
  • Link certified the first time to something appropriate (RIAA certification or similar).
  • Small p in platinum in the lead, big P in platinum in the tables, why the inconsistency?
  • "which was less successful." quantify? Didn't receive certification? Awards?
  • "These albums, released only in Canada, are often not mentioned in the media that tend to consider..." the "are often not mentioned..." bit, is there evidence of this other than just the single ref you found which considers JLP as her first album?
  • Not sure I see where I can verify it's the best selling debut album worldwide? Certainly didn't see it in ref 6.
  • " Jagged stayed there for 12 weeks and remained in the Top 10 for over a year" no refs?
  • "Between 1996–1997 " why not write prose, "Between 1996 and 1997..."
  • [7][8][4] -> would prefer to see citations in numerical order.
  • She didn't just write Uninvited, didn't she perform it too?
  • "Morissette herself directed all music videos from the album, except for controversial "Thank U", although it was her idea that she would be naked in it. " refs needed.
  • "debuted at number one in twelve countries" ref please?
  • "Having many leftovers from the Under Rug Swept recording session, Morissette released Feast on Scraps," ref please?
  • "became her last album on Maverick Records." ref please?
  • digital download is a dab link.
  • ""—" denotes releases that did not chart." -> "... or was not released in that country.", I suspect, should be added here....
  • Don't mix date formats in the references.
  • Check that spaced hyphens in the refs are replaced with en-dashes (refs 4, 7, 29, 30, 45 etc etc etc).

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your remarks. I have corrected a few things, but still don't get something.
  • No reason for discography to be in bold in the lead, would be better unbold and linked to discography.
  • Live albums are in the infobox, not in the lead, promo singles are in the lead, not the infobox. -- Don't get it. I shouldn't have included "live albums" in the infobox and include "promotional singles" instead?
  • "With a stage name Alanis, " - would be better as "With the stage name of Alanis, ..."
  • Link certified the first time to something appropriate (RIAA certification or similar).
  • Small p in platinum in the lead, big P in platinum in the tables, why the inconsistency? - I've looked through other featured discographies and that's the way they did it too.
  • "which was less successful." quantify? Didn't receive certification? Awards? - It is mentioned in the table that it sold 50.000 which is twice as worse as her first.
  • "These albums, released only in Canada, are often not mentioned in the media that tend to consider..." the "are often not mentioned..." bit, is there evidence of this other than just the single ref you found which considers JLP as her first album?
  • Not sure I see where I can verify it's the best selling debut album worldwide? Certainly didn't see it in ref 6. There is a link to best-selling albums worldwide. - It is the best-selling debut album worldwide. The best-selling album in the US is Appetite for Destruction by Guns N' Roses. There are links to the articles where it becomes pretty much obvious. OK, I added another one from Australian newspaper.
  • "Between 1996–1997 " why not write prose, "Between 1996 and 1997..."
  • [7][8][4] -> would prefer to see citations in numerical order.
  • She didn't just write Uninvited, didn't she perform it too?
  • "Morissette herself directed all music videos from the album, except for controversial "Thank U", although it was her idea that she would be naked in it. " refs needed. - Will look for references.
  • "debuted at number one in twelve countries" ref please?
  • "Having many leftovers from the Under Rug Swept recording session, Morissette released Feast on Scraps," ref please?
  • "became her last album on Maverick Records." ref please?
  • digital download is a dab link.
  • ""—" denotes releases that did not chart." -> "... or was not released in that country.", I suspect, should be added here....
  • Don't mix date formats in the references. - So I must use either January 14, 2009 or 2009-01-14? OK, will do it.
  • Check that spaced hyphens in the refs are replaced with en-dashes (refs 4, 7, 29, 30, 45 etc etc etc).
  • " Jagged stayed there for 12 weeks and remained in the Top 10 for over a year" no refs? I've put the reference for 12 weeks, but can't find for the rest, but I've just looked through billboard archives, it spent 67 weeks consecutive in the top ten. I'll be looking for it again.
OK, I've looked it through week-by-week and put references. I guess it's enough since Billboard allows to check any week. --Cannot (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: only a couple problems though. Once these are fixed I'll pass it.

  • Problems with the lead:
    • Ref needed showing her as the first Canadian to top the Billboard 200.
    • Where is the link saying the video for "Thank U" was controversial?
  • The EP and the video albums section are the same type of table, yet their headers are different. Pick one and be consistent.
  • According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style, the charts should be ordered by the artist's home country first. If the article says she's from Canada, shouldn't the Canadian chart be first?
Well, now that she's Canadian-American, I thought there was not much of a difference? Correct me if it's strictly necessary.
I personally do not care, but some users can be very picky.
  • Also, according to that style guide, shouldn't the certifications and sales figures have bullets? I see only the singles section has bullets.
I've just read it again and it said nothing about bullets. I can see it in some discographies though, and if it's strictly necessary I will do it. But even in the WP:DISCOGSTYLE#Samples there are no bullets.
Oh, dang. I must of messed up there. I apologize.
  • Why does the Compilation albums table have a section for certifications if there are none?
  • For the "Other appearances" section, should the artist name featuring Alanas be under the song title? I looked at a few other FL's (Taylor Swift discography and Kesha discography) and this is how it is formatted.
Well, among the songs listed there are very few released as singles. As far as I can make out, both Taylor Swift's and Kesha's discographies list the singles where these singers are "featured artists". These are just appearences, not singles.
I was referring to the formatting. Here's an example song:
List of songs showing year released and album name
Song Year Album
"Excess"
(Tricky featuring Alanis) 		2001 Blowback
Your way looks better to me, but then again, she collaborated with the same artists on several songs. 3 songs w/ Tricky, 3 songs with Ringo Starr, 4 with Jonathan Elias, a few "various artists" appearances. I don't really know if it's very necessary, correct me if I'm wrong.
  • The Videos section should be called "Videography"
  • Need references for Dennis Beauchamp directing the two music videos.
Oh God, this is nearly impossible. This is written on the booklet of her early Canadian albums when she was not a megastar. I have no idea where to get this information about her early videos, I've been digging the Internet like crazy. It may be in her biography books, which I don't have.
I did a search on google books and found this. I only skimmed through it and saw his name. Check it out and see if it can help. If not, try a library or if amazon.com has the books for cheap/preview.
  • Website should not be italicized in the references. For example, I see you have MTV.com. It should be MTV.com instead. I also saw another minor mistakes for the references. Double check them.
I never specifically italicize this, I used the {{cite_web}} template and put MTV.com as "work" and MTV Networks as "publisher". How is that wrong?
if you put two apostrophes before and after, it cancels out the italics.
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 18:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Missing "the"s before "Canadian division of MCA Records" and "Canadian Recording Industry Association" in the second paragraph.
  • "are often not mentioned in the media that tend to consider Jagged Little Pill, released on Maverick Records, as her debut album." Should it be "media, which tends to consider"? It doesn't seem right the way it is now.
  • "The song was the winner of 41st Grammy Awards in two categories." Needs a re-write badly. Maybe "The song was the winner in two categories at the 41st Grammy Awards."?
  • Another "the" needed before "controversial 'Thank U'." Oh, and I think that "although it was her idea that she would be naked in it" is excess information at this point, since it hasn't been mentioned yet that she was nude. Why is this even relevant for a discography? You don't see anything about any controversies involving Madonna or Lady Gaga in their featured discographies.
  • One more "the" needed in "and produced hit single 'Hands Clean'".
  • The fifth paragraph is only a single sentence, and five paragraphs is a bit much for a lead of this size. How about merging it into the end of the fourth paragraph? That seems a logical place for the sentence.
  • This comment drives me absolutely crazy: At the bottom of the tables we have "denotes releases that did not chart or was not released in that country." Since "releases" is plural, "was" should be the plural "were". This is the second or third discography I've seen this in; hopefully this isn't some standard phrasing for the discography project.
  • Entertainment Weekly should be italicized in reference 13 (print publisher).
  • All caps need to be removed from the title in reference 17. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 15:35, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your time. I do have some grammar/spelling issues since I'm not a native English-speaker.

Missing "the"s before "Canadian division of MCA Records" and "Canadian Recording Industry Association" in the second paragraph.
"are often not mentioned in the media that tend to consider Jagged Little Pill, released on Maverick Records, as her debut album." Should it be "media, which tends to consider"? It doesn't seem right the way it is now.
"The song was the winner of 41st Grammy Awards in two categories." Needs a re-write badly. Maybe "The song was the winner in two categories at the 41st Grammy Awards."?
Another "the" needed before "controversial 'Thank U'." Oh, and I think that "although it was her idea that she would be naked in it" is excess information at this point, since it hasn't been mentioned yet that she was nude. Why is this even relevant for a discography? You don't see anything about any controversies involving Madonna or Lady Gaga in their featured discographies.
One more "the" needed in "and produced hit single 'Hands Clean'".
The fifth paragraph is only a single sentence, and five paragraphs is a bit much for a lead of this size. How about merging it into the end of the fourth paragraph? That seems a logical place for the sentence.
This comment drives me absolutely crazy: At the bottom of the tables we have "denotes releases that did not chart or was not released in that country." Since "releases" is plural, "was" should be the plural "were". This is the second or third discography I've seen this in; hopefully this isn't some standard phrasing for the discography project. Oh it's just that someone told me there to add this phrase and I simply copy-pasted it fast. My bad.
Entertainment Weekly should be italicized in reference 13 (print publisher). Changed the template to cite_journal and it's OK now.
All caps need to be removed from the title in reference 17.


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