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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 16:04, 4 November 2008 [1].

New York State Route 28N

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Nominator(s): User:Mitchazenia

Yay, time for another shot. I feel this article is ready, and its time it gets another shot :). All comments are welcome :) - Mitch32(UP) 22:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tried my best :) - Mitch32(UP) 22:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - Looks pretty good, but I would like to see a picture of the road itself for the Route description and a picture of the Route 28N bridge for the last sub-section in the History section. Its not required, since you have a picture of NY 28N's shield with a trail marker, but it would be nice. ~~ This page was edited by ĈĠ 00:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - With the current fuss over "short" articles I thought I'd have a look at this. As usual the problem is not with length but with other of the criteria. The writing is weak in places and summary style seems to have been employed when there is ample room to expand and clarify. There is little context for the route; we get where it goes and how it is administered, but nothing of its impact. I also agree that the illustration leaves something to be desired. Some examples of problems, in no particular order:
  • The route though has a rather detailed history before its designations. Not judging from the scant details given in the history section. And why "though"?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...has a 10-mile (16 km) concurrency with New York State Route 30 through Long Lake... through the lake? Not the best word choice.
The town of Long Lake, not the lake itself.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How does the reader know this? Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.Mitch32(UP) 22:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Beyond Long Lake, Route 28N remains partly in mountains... - this appears to be immediately contradicted; it is backed by mountains, but not "in" them.
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • passing the high Windfall Mountain - high mountain? Most are. Why do we get stats for the other mountains and not this one?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • climbing in elevation - as opposed to just climbing?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nearby is Vanderwhacker Mountain, a 3,386-foot (1,032 m) high peak and is part of the Vanderwhacker Mountain Wild Forest, which the highway passes through. - "and is part"?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lake, which flows into two creeks, follows Route 28N for about 1 mile - Surely the other way round?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I meant that surely the road follows the lake. Presumably the lake was there first. Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are there so few distances recorded in the description? Putting in the distance it runs parallel to the County Route 84, for example, would avoid you having to use "eventually" which would be nice as very soon after in the text it eventually passes some lakes (some lakes?). The distance between Country Route 84 and NY 28N would be interesting too. Do they run parallel 10 feet apart? 10 miles? 100 miles?
Mileage is discouraged in US Roads standards, and technology has yet to produce a thing that measure it.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you mean the US Roads WikiProject? Why is it discouraged? I did look at the style guide but I can't see any mention of it being discouraged there. And I'm not sure what you mean by "technology has yet to produce a thing that measure it"; Maps? Odometers? Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Route 28N terminates just after entering North Creek in Warren County and intersecting with New York State Route 28, its parent route.- Does it terminate when it intersects or does it just tail off with nobody really knowing where it finishes?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Early history - What is this an early history of? Some connection to the NY 28N would be beneficial here. Which of these roads became part of the route? Eventually, highways helped the town grow - how? why? This needs connecting to the relevant information later on. ...and the town evolved into somewhat of a sportsmen's resort. As a result, a road was built connecting Newcomb with nearby Minerva and Long Lake - because...? (presumably good fishing on Long Lake?)
References say nothing.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then the article is not comprehensive. Are there no more references available? Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Part of the problem was -there was more details, but removed during the last FAC.Mitch32(UP) 22:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Designation - a lot of things going on "earlier" and it might be nice to mention whether McKinley was dead when Roosevelt was sworn in
Already in the article in "Designation" - but remained.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It only says he was "near death" when Roosevelt heard, not whether he was dead when Roosevelt was sworn in. Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.Mitch32(UP) 22:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Minerva, New York is central to the article yet is not linked until the intersection info box
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...and NY 10 was rerouted south of Long Lake ... - physically or administratively?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plans have arisen for Route 28N to undergo construction... - It's already been constructed. And how did these plans "arise"?
That meant that its gonna go under construction, Again. NYSDOT did not say why.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"undergo construction" is a poor word choice. Repair or renovation would be clearer, although the new wording is better. Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can't solve this, no other wording works.Mitch32(UP) 22:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The project is predicted to end in 2017, and is said to cost $1.1 million of federal and state funds - the attempt to avoid "projected" or "predicted" in the second clause is not very successful. Do you have details on how the funding is split?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The change removes predicted from the first clause rather than tackling "is said to". Yomanganitalk 08:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is it characterised? Are there no stats on usage? Is it a busy route? Busy in parts? It is designated as a scenic route for part of the highway. Is this used by tourists? As an alternate route for NY 28 is it used only when NY28 is busy or obstructed? Why do the bridges need replacing and repairing? General wear-and-tear? Or is the road being used by heavier traffic? Basically, where is "Later History"?
No idea on everything but the traffic counts.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again this means the article is not comprehensive. And if you put the traffic data in I can't see it.
Yomanganitalk 13:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Most of that's now covered - Mitch32(UP) 10:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As for the pictures, I'll get some tonight from a friend.Mitch32(UP) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Images added.Mitch32(UP) 22:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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